The Racial Marxism of Black Lives Matter

[BigDaddy4]

My apologies. I thought you said it wasn't considered racist because the guy was Hispanic.

Edit: Hang on, that's what you did say...

You're the one that is trying to link the cause of it not being a racial thing to him being Hispanic. I did not say that. Here's what I did say. Notice the bold. The sentence following the bold sentence is not a causation statement.

Despite being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, Zimmerman was legally acquitted. At the time BLM tried to make it a racial thing, and it wasn't. Zimmerman identifies as a Hispanic, which is not consistent with the current BLM stance of white supremacy, white entitlement, white blah blah blah, as the problem of all black economic and social suppression. Zimmerman was also not a police officer, which is counter to their current "defund the police" stance. BLM pivoted to target whites and police, IMO, with the death of Michael Brown and used the false narrative of "hands up, don't shoot" to further their agenda.

 

[Pommer]

You're the one that is trying to link the cause of it not being a racial thing to him being Hispanic. I did not say that. Here's what I did say. Notice the bold. The sentence following the bold sentence is not a causation statement.

Why would the fact that Zimmerman identifying as “Hispanic” negate that he racially profiled Mr Martin?

 

[Aldebaran]

Hmm. Not much then.

Then can we reasonably suggest that the movement itself is not Marxist, has nothing to do with Marxism and that the vast majority of people all over the world who have joined in the protests are not politically motivated but are genuinely concerned with racism.

And take advantage of chaos in the streets to score free merchandise at Target during the "Everything is 100% off at midnight" sale?

 

[Bradskii]

You're the one that is trying to link the cause of it not being a racial thing to him being Hispanic. I did not say that. Here's what I did say. Notice the bold. The sentence following the bold sentence is not a causation statement.

Well, thanks for pasting what you said and highlighting the part where it confirms what I said. Which was that you claimed it wasn't racist because the guy was hispanic.

Racism takes many forms. It varies between people and makes itself known in differerent ways in different circumstances. It's not just black and white (see what I did there?)

 

[variant]

I tried to read the linked such and such in the OP to try to figure out how they were defining BLM as Marxist rather than being interested in civil rights and I didn't really get the info I was looking for.

Can someone like the OP walk me through the bullet points argument?

What specifically makes the BLM a Marxist organization in their opinion?

 

[Bradskii]

And take advantage of chaos in the streets to score free merchandise at Target during the "Everything is 100% off at midnight" sale?

That would be a criminal action. A riot by any other name. And not a means of supporting the concept of blm. I'm shoulder to shoulder with you in condemning such action, which detracts from the reason for blm. And which also gives some people an excuse to denigrate the whole movement by association.

You need to put your tar brush away, Aldebaran.

 

[variant]

Well capitalism ain’t working out for them, so yeah, I could kind of see why they’d embrace something different, huh?

It is amazing to me that no one seems to grasp the idea that the massive suffering underclass caused by capitalism tends to breed a heaping resentment of such a system.

While I never thought that the proponents of communism had a better way of doing things I fully understand why people like Marx would be questioning the system around the time of industrialization, and why they gained some traction.

 

[Aldebaran]

I tried to read the linked such and such in the OP to try to figure out how they were defining BLM as Marxist rather than being interested in civil rights and I didn't really get the info I was looking for.

Can someone like the OP walk me through the bullet points argument?

What specifically makes the BLM a Marxist organization in their opinion?

I'm not going to lay it all out here, but I'll direct you to the sources where you can get your answers. Go to BLM's website where they state their goals of what they want to see destroyed and what they want to take its place. Then go to this site: 5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property) | Jon Miltimore to see the similarities.

This may also be helpful: To Destroy America | City Journal

 

[variant]

I'm not going to lay it all out here, but I'll direct you to the sources where you can get your answers. Go to BLM's website where they state their goals of what they want to see destroyed and what they want to take its place. Then go to this site: 5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property) | Jon Miltimore to see the similarities.

This may also be helpful: To Destroy America | City Journal

From your source and the logic of what you are saying here; if I go to their website I should be able to see how BLM wants to abolish:

1. The Family
2. Individuality
3. Eternal Truths
4. Nations
5. The Past

?

That source explicitly says that Marxists are direct and vocal about these goals so it should be pretty easy to see if they are indeed Marxists.

Could you do a bit more legwork and actually quote something from their website or tell me where on their website they list these goals?

https://blacklivesmatter.com/

 

[Aldebaran]

From your source and the logic of what you are saying here; if I go to their website I should be able to see how BLM wants to abolish:

1. The Family
2. Individuality
3. Eternal Truths
4. Nations
5. The Past

?

I see they've reworked their site again. Suffice it to say that each of those items is something they've spoken against.

1. Family for them isn't the same as it was for us. Now it's all about LFBQT garbage that couldn't even become a family without help from a man/woman relationship.

2. People are seen as a collective based on skin color.

3. No such thing as truth, is there?

4. What's left of it, once the borders are considered irrelevant.

5. History seems to be something they can rewrite in their own image and push it on to school children. 1619 project, anyone?

 

[Bradskii]

I see they've reworked their site again. Suffice it to say that each of those items is something they've spoken against.

1. Family for them isn't the same as it was for us. Now it's all about LFBQT garbage that couldn't even become a family without help from a man/woman relationship.
2. People are seen as a collective based on skin color.
3. No such thing as truth, is there?
4. What's left of it, once the borders are considered irrelevant.
5. History seems to be something they can rewrite in their own image and push it on to school children. 1619 project, anyone?

My turn!
1. Love and lifelong relationships aren't the same for them as they are for the rest of us.
2. People are seen as either those who accept beliefs on faith or those who can't
3. There's no truth except their version of it.
4. The nation was founded on their beliefs. No other moral views are to be considered.
5. The history of the very planet on which we live can be found in the very first chapter of their scripture, which tbey attempt to have taught as fact to school children. Discovery Institute anyone?

15 all. Your serve.

 

[iarwain]

I see they've reworked their site again. Suffice it to say that each of those items is something they've spoken against.

They removed that section from their website awhile back. But it was there, I read it. I'm guessing they were taking too much flak about that bit so they removed it.

Today's BLM shares little with the Martin Luther King branch of the Civil Rights Movement. They take their cue more from the Malcolm X and Black Panthers side, which more readily embraces violence. Their leaders are part of a Marxist movement that wants to use racial dissatisfaction and revolution to tear down the traditional capitalist and traditional American system, and replace it with their own socialist utopia. That's why they wanted to tear down all those statues last year, and why they find the founding fathers so offensive. They want to destroy symbols of America and known history, and replace it with their own narrative.

 

[Pommer]

Today's BLM shares little with the Martin Luther King branch of the Civil Rights Movement.

Use the Google machine for “Martin Luther King Jr, communism”.

 

[Bradskii]

They removed that section from their website awhile back. But it was there, I read it. I'm guessing they were taking too much flak about that bit so they removed it.

Today's BLM shares little with the Martin Luther King branch of the Civil Rights Movement. They take their cue more from the Malcolm X and Black Panthers side, which more readily embraces violence. Their leaders are part of a Marxist movement that wants to use racial dissatisfaction and revolution to tear down the traditional capitalist and traditional American system, and replace it with their own socialist utopia. That's why they wanted to tear down all those statues last year, and why they find the founding fathers so offensive. They want to destroy symbols of America and known history, and replace it with their own narrative.

Were there any directives from the leaders to do any of the things you mentioned?

 

[SilverBear]

With the mass murder perpetrated by Marxist governments in the last century, one might forgive others a bit of trepidation re: any racial organization touting its own fondness for Marxism.

by the same token considering the mass murder perpetrated by Capitalist governments, one might be leary of any organization touting a fondness for Capitalism

 

[SilverBear]

That's a great question to ask the BLM org.

Its a matter of public record. BLM is a non-profit organization which means it has to file 990 forms with the IRS detailing its full accounting

$21.7 million went to grant funding to individual BLM chapters.
$9.4 million for staffing and employee compensation,
$6 million for operating and administrative costs
$4.9 million technology infrastructure and social media
$10 million for funding educational grants/scholorships
$8.4 million for civic engagement, rapid response and crisis intervention.
$16.5 million individual grants to families relating to COVID-19
$12 million for grants to approximately 80 inner city grass roots organizations

 

[SilverBear]

Irrelevant. Who cares what the peons of the "movement" think? The leaders of the organization that started the movement are self-admitted Marxists. They are the ones receiving millions of dollars in donations for their organization, regardless if the various activities by the "movement" are directly associated with their organization.

the founders of BLM receive no compensation of benefits from the organization. Sorry

 

[BigDaddy4]

Why would the fact that Zimmerman identifying as “Hispanic” negate that he racially profiled Mr Martin?

Where is your proof that Zimmerman racially profile Martin? The DOJ and FBI conducted investigations and did not come to your conclusion.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Well, thanks for pasting what you said and highlighting the part where it confirms what I said. Which was that you claimed it wasn't racist because the guy was hispanic.

Racism takes many forms. It varies between people and makes itself known in differerent ways in different circumstances. It's not just black and white (see what I did there?)

Except that's your bias showing, as I still did not say what you think I said. Even though I explained it to you, I still never claimed race was an issue. The DOJ and FBI conducted investigations and neither made the same conclusion as you.

 

[BigDaddy4]

the founders of BLM receive no compensation of benefits from the organization. Sorry

Not something I said, but thanks for the apology for recognizing that.