The question SDA never answer.

[from scratch]

Hello PK, noting your quote marked in red, can you then tell us what part of the law is/was abolished?

And I was wondering if I am misunderstanding your position in this discussion, and perhaps you can clear this up; you imply, "we" in your defense for the SDA church but your denomination indicates that you are a Christian, and GT forum is for Christians only. Which are you? Thanks

To me he's saying the SDA organization isn't Christian. He doesn't wish to be identified with his church. Thus he really denies it as a positive thing. I think what he's doing by not using the SDA faith icon is dishonest and violates the ninth commandment. So they cut their own throat.

 

[SG9]

To me he's saying the SDA organization isn't Christian. He doesn't wish to be identified with his church. Thus he really denies it as a positive thing. I think what he's doing by not using the SDA faith icon is dishonest and violates the ninth commandment. So they cut their own throat.

Well, that's clear enough, I understand now. He almost slipped that one by me. Thanks

 

[from scratch]

That's because SDA are 'reverse engineering' the scriptures in an effort to make an end theory seem correct.

It's a sideshow trick that seeks to convince the viewer that first, everything 'must' line up the way the presenter lays it out.

The true student of these things sees the fallacy immediately.

With the foundation of the scriptures removed, they may be misused in many ways.

The thing that bothers me about the SDA teaching is that it leads people away from Apostolic Christianity into what they have lined up. Death for the soul.

It's a scam, and their members are to be prayed for... they have fallen for a set of lies to replace Apostolic Christian truths.

I would rather see their members in the worst of our Apostolic Churches than where they are now.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[from scratch]

Well, that's clear enough, I understand now. He almost slipped that one by me. Thanks

They don't take to heart - Mat 26:73

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

That's because SDA are 'reverse engineering' the scriptures in an effort to make an end theory seem correct.

It's a sideshow trick that seeks to convince the viewer that first, everything 'must' line up the way the presenter lays it out.

The true student of these things sees the fallacy immediately.

With the foundation of the scriptures removed, they may be misused in many ways.

The thing that bothers me about the SDA teaching is that it leads people away from Apostolic Christianity into what they have lined up. Death for the soul.

It's a scam, and their members are to be prayed for... they have fallen for a set of lies to replace Apostolic Christian truths.

I would rather see their members in the worst of our Apostolic Churches than where they are now.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Brother,

Are you saying that I have not addressed your question, even carefully examining the context, and the words in use?

Please consider what was presented once more, carefully -

Please allow a brief repetition, with additional:

See the context of the previous verse, even "...the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)..." {vs 11} We see it was that 'law' which was given 'under' the 'Levitical priesthood'. When the Ten Commandments were spoken by God over all, even from Heaven, there was no Levitical priesthood yet called by God, see Ex 28:1. It speaks of the 'carnal commandment' associated with that priesthood, yet we know that the 10 C are 'spiritual' {Rom 7:14}, not carnal {Heb 9:10}.

Therefore, please allow me to ask in return, where was there any Levitical Priesthood in Exodus 5-20?

Is it not apparent that it is seen in Exodus 28, while God is speaking to Moses still upon the Mount, that the Levitical Priesthood, as underneath Aaron was not yet existant, and it is not even until Exodus 39 that the outfit of the Highpriest, who would be Aaron, was even made? and finally coming to Exodus 40:13, wherein Aaron and his sons were anointed to serve in the Levitical priesthood?

Can you see even by vs 5,9,11-12,21,23,27,28, it speaks of the Levitical Priesthood being changed, and the law that made them?

What law of the 10 C made Levitical priests or priesthood?

Are these questions and statements invalid to the context brother? This thread is about "The question SDA never answer.", and yet it is answered.

Please do not allow the other 'answers', which rudely interrupted with the work of their master {even as leaders in Israel sent their pupils to Jesus to ensnare, having no thoughts of their own, not desiring to be taught or learn}, to what was given above to distract from the points clearly made and asked in the response. The others replies to it, do not address what was there given.

For instance, one person stated, "I refer you to 2 Cor 3:7ff..." and then proceeded to borrow a Roman Catholics answer, which is not surprising, considering, but not only does the reply look past what was presented and asked, it also misses the point of the text they cite, for they do not understand that 2 Cor 3, deals very specifically with that which was "veiled", and also with differing "ministrations", and the glory that shone of Moses face, which glory {of his face} was to be done away, not the glory of the Law, which was magnified in Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 3, a lot of people abuse because they simply do not understand the ministrations, nor of the 2 glories therein, or what was veiled.

I would be most glad to share with you about 2 Cor 3 also if you wanted to speak about it in more detail, but to them which simply mock, being subjugated to their Roman masters and their doctrines, and do not understand the implications of it, thinking that they know, they shall be ashamed.

Shall Roman thought and teaching also rule you even as they? If not, you do not have to address this, but the points made in response about the question you asked. This is a more serious matter brother, for the Ten Commandments are God's moral Law, and yet we see it being warred against by those which claim/say that they are spiritual {Rom 8:7}.

 

[Setyoufree]

What law changed?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Well, you don't have to be an SDA to answer this question. Context usually takes care of error:

Hebrews 7:5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.

Sorry, dude, but this is speaking of "the book of the law" and not the law of Ten Commandments.

 

[Setyoufree]

You deny that the 10 commandments changed right? Unable or unwilling to admit that.

That's the subject.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[from scratch]

Brother,

Are you saying that I have not addressed your question, even carefully examining the context, and the words in use?

Please consider what was presented once more, carefully -

Are these questions and statements invalid to the context brother? This thread is about "The question SDA never answer.", and yet it is answered.

Please do not allow the other 'answers', which rudely interrupted with the work of their master {even as leaders in Israel sent their pupils to Jesus to ensnare, having no thoughts of their own, not desiring to be taught or learn}, to what was given above to distract from the points clearly made and asked in the response. The others replies to it, do not address what was there given.

For instance, one person stated, "I refer you to 2 Cor 3:7ff..." and then proceeded to borrow a Roman Catholics answer, which is not surprising, considering, but not only does the reply look past what was presented and asked, it also misses the point of the text they cite, for they do not understand that 2 Cor 3, deals very specifically with that which was "veiled", and also with differing "ministrations", and the glory that shone of Moses face, which glory {of his face} was to be done away, not the glory of the Law, which was magnified in Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 3, a lot of people abuse because they simply do not understand the ministrations, nor of the 2 glories therein, or what was veiled.

I would be most glad to share with you about 2 Cor 3 also if you wanted to speak about it in more detail, but to them which simply mock, being subjugated to their Roman masters and their doctrines, and do not understand the implications of it, thinking that they know, they shall be ashamed.

Shall Roman thought and teaching also rule you even as they? If not, you do not have to address this, but the points made in response about the question you asked. This is a more serious matter brother, for the Ten Commandments are God's moral Law, and yet we see it being warred against by those which claim/say that they are spiritual {Rom 8:7}.

The glory what was veiled wasn't the glory of Moses. Read the verse without your special glasses.

 

[Setyoufree]

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. ....

What law was Christ speaking of? Well, again, context, context, context!!!!

Matt 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-ahttp://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-26 and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angryhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-27 with his brotherhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-b will be subject to judgment

27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-ehttp://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/5.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-31 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart

 

[from scratch]

That's because SDA are 'reverse engineering' the scriptures in an effort to make an end theory seem correct.

It's a sideshow trick that seeks to convince the viewer that first, everything 'must' line up the way the presenter lays it out.

The true student of these things sees the fallacy immediately.

With the foundation of the scriptures removed, they may be misused in many ways.

The thing that bothers me about the SDA teaching is that it leads people away from Apostolic Christianity into what they have lined up. Death for the soul.

It's a scam, and their members are to be prayed for... they have fallen for a set of lies to replace Apostolic Christian truths.

I would rather see their members in the worst of our Apostolic Churches than where they are now.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Yes we should pray for the lost. I think Paul says we should do something else with those promoting heresy and refuse to listen to the truth.

 

[Setyoufree]

What law was Christ speaking of (Matt chapter 5)? Well, again, context, context, context!!!!

Matt 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment

27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart

Don't forget Romans 7

For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

There are at least 3....

Don't commit adultery

Don't murder

Don't covet

Now look at Rom 13:9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Where did these originate?

Ex 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother,http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-21 so that you may live longhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-22 in the landhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-23 the LORD your God is giving you. 13 "You shall not murder.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-24 14 "You shall not commit adultery.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-25 15 "You shall not steal.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-26 16 "You shall not give false testimonyhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-27 against your neighbor.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-28 17 "You shall not covethttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-29 your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Brother,

Are you saying that I have not addressed your question, even carefully examining the context, and the words in use?

Please consider what was presented once more, carefully -

Are these questions and statements invalid to the context brother? This thread is about "The question SDA never answer.", and yet it is answered.

Please do not allow the other 'answers', which rudely interrupted with the work of their master {even as leaders in Israel sent their pupils to Jesus to ensnare, having no thoughts of their own, not desiring to be taught or learn}, to what was given above to distract from the points clearly made and asked in the response. The others replies to it, do not address what was there given.

For instance, one person stated, "I refer you to 2 Cor 3:7ff..." and then proceeded to borrow a Roman Catholics answer, which is not surprising, considering, but not only does the reply look past what was presented and asked, it also misses the point of the text they cite, for they do not understand that 2 Cor 3, deals very specifically with that which was "veiled", and also with differing "ministrations", and the glory that shone of Moses face, which glory {of his face} was to be done away, not the glory of the Law, which was magnified in Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 3, a lot of people abuse because they simply do not understand the ministrations, nor of the 2 glories therein, or what was veiled.

I would be most glad to share with you about 2 Cor 3 also if you wanted to speak about it in more detail, but to them which simply mock, being subjugated to their Roman masters and their doctrines, and do not understand the implications of it, thinking that they know, they shall be ashamed.

Shall Roman thought and teaching also rule you even as they? If not, you do not have to address this, but the points made in response about the question you asked. This is a more serious matter brother, for the Ten Commandments are God's moral Law, and yet we see it being warred against by those which claim/say that they are spiritual {Rom 8:7}.

You can stop calling me brother. We most certainly are not. I do not consider SDA to be a part of The Church in any way. Repent.

You have misunderstood, (and didn't bother to ask) why I would make such a statement, surely I have had answers from SDA before...

There is no answer from scripture that would sway an Apostolic Christian, because their is more to the deposit of faith than just scripture.

SDA forget hymography, iconography, liturgics, patristics etc. etc. et al. Anything else that has to do with the deposit of faith has been ejected, even good history. These very forums are a great witness of what can be done with scripture outside the collective deposit of faith.


Does it seem acceptable to you that I would come to a forum where SDA theology is given as a certain sub area (and there also being an area for non-SDA theology), that I would come into the SDA area and discuss Apostolic theology as 'truth' and that SDA is just wrong? The reverse is true here. It's called trolling. Any thread started in this area by an SDA with the intent of reducing the faith of Apostolic Christians is trolling.

The only proper answer in this area of the forum is an orthodox christians answer, and that's the one SDA is incapable of giving.

You lost the argument, because you don't know and/or will not accept the Apostolic answer, for the very fact that it 'is' the Apostolic answer, and that is why the SDA reject it so violently.

You don't have to accept 'Apostolic Christian Truth' as your truth. However, we won't hear anything else and accept it as 'Christian Truth'.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[from scratch]

Don't forget Romans 7

For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

There are at least 3....

Don't commit adultery

Don't murder

Don't covet

Now look at Rom 13:9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Where did these originate?

Ex 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother,http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-21 so that you may live longhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-22 in the landhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-23 the LORD your God is giving you. 13 "You shall not murder.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-24 14 "You shall not commit adultery.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-25 15 "You shall not steal.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-26 16 "You shall not give false testimonyhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-27 against your neighbor.http://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-28 17 "You shall not covethttp://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/20.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-29 your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor

So is your point we are to live by a list of rules always inciting the negative behavior? It is one of the primary reason we lose so many young people to the enemy and run them off from church. Following a rule list isn't love.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The glory what was veiled wasn't the glory of Moses.
Read the verse without your special glasses.

They still wear OC glasses

Exd 34:
34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take the veil off until he came out; and he would come out and speak to the children of Israel whatever he had been commanded.
35 And whenever the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone, then Moses would put the veil on his face again, until he went in to speak with Him.

2Cr 3:
14 but their minds were hardened,
for unto this day the same vail at the reading of the Old Covenant doth remain unwithdrawn -- which in Christ is being made useless --
15 but till to-day, when Moses is read, a vail upon their heart doth lie,
16 and whenever they may turn unto the Lord, the vail is taken away.
17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty;
18 and we all, with unvailed face, the glory of the Lord beholding in a mirror, to the same image are being transformed, from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


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[from scratch]

They still wear OC glasses

Exd 34:
34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take the veil off until he came out; and he would come out and speak to the children of Israel whatever he had been commanded.
35 And whenever the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone, then Moses would put the veil on his face again, until he went in to speak with Him.

2Cr 3:
14 but their minds were hardened,
for unto this day the same vail at the reading of the Old Covenant doth remain unwithdrawn -- which in Christ is being made useless --
15 but till to-day, when Moses is read, a vail upon their heart doth lie,
16 and whenever they may turn unto the Lord, the vail is taken away.
17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty;
18 and we all, with unvailed face, the glory of the Lord beholding in a mirror, to the same image are being transformed, from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


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I call them EW glasses.

 

[squint]

No one can honestly stand under law or grace and say they have no internal lawlessness.

Jesus Was, Is and Will ever remain against all LIARS.

enjoy

squint

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I call them EW glasses.

She was a colorful character

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..

Yeshua My Salvation > This is a thread i made in the Adventist forum on questions concerning the validity & authority of the writings of Ellen White, do they or do they not contradict scripture. Adventist claim that her writings are authoritive and don't contradict scripture in any point.
When confronted with obivious contradiction Adventist shrug arguments against there prophet with cockiness instead of providing viewers with answeres as to why they continue to believe in a prophet that added to scripture, contradicted scrpiture and finally contradicted herself. Heres the thread where this discussion began....http://www.christianforums.com/t3055...d-herslef.html


Yeshua My Salvation There are many cases where we find Ellen White either #1 adding to the bible # 2 contradicting it, & # 3 Contradicting herself.

Take for instance her statement on Patriarchs & Prophetes pg. 45,were she claims that Adam's height was much greater than that of men who now inhabit the earth. This is an addition not found anywere in scripture... I always woundered why Moses failed to write this in the book of Genesis? Did the L-rd fail to reveal this to Moses? Did he have to wait much over 2,000 years to reveal it to some modern day prophetess? Who in the world gave Ellen White the authority to add to Moses writings when the Torah is complete as scripture clearly indicates.....

In Patriarchs & Prophetes pg 74, she claims that it was " Through an angel messenger that the divine warning was conveyed to Cain.. However the bible tells us that it was G-d himself and it does not indicate that any angel messanger was present........................



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[from scratch]

No one can honestly stand under law or grace and say they have no internal lawlessness.

Jesus Was, Is and Will ever remain against all LIARS.

enjoy

squint

Yes at times I'm tempted and pursue my own rebellious lusts and sin. I don't always have full control over my body.

 

[from scratch]

She was a colorful character

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..

Yeshua My Salvation > This is a thread i made in the Adventist forum on questions concerning the validity & authority of the writings of Ellen White, do they or do they not contradict scripture. Adventist claim that her writings are authoritive and don't contradict scripture in any point.
When confronted with obivious contradiction Adventist shrug arguments against there prophet with cockiness instead of providing viewers with answeres as to why they continue to believe in a prophet that added to scripture, contradicted scrpiture and finally contradicted herself. Heres the thread where this discussion began....http://www.christianforums.com/t3055...d-herslef.html


Yeshua My Salvation There are many cases where we find Ellen White either #1 adding to the bible # 2 contradicting it, & # 3 Contradicting herself.

Take for instance her statement on Patriarchs & Prophetes pg. 45,were she claims that Adam's height was much greater than that of men who now inhabit the earth. This is an addition not found anywere in scripture... I always woundered why Moses failed to write this in the book of Genesis? Did the L-rd fail to reveal this to Moses? Did he have to wait much over 2,000 years to reveal it to some modern day prophetess? Who in the world gave Ellen White the authority to add to Moses writings when the Torah is complete as scripture clearly indicates.....

In Patriarchs & Prophetes pg 74, she claims that it was " Through an angel messenger that the divine warning was conveyed to Cain.. However the bible tells us that it was G-d himself and it does not indicate that any angel messanger was present........................



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Just how much trouble do you want to get me into? Speaking of which - have you seen the change in the GT forum title? They can no longer attack Christianity here. Am I happy or what?

 

[Setyoufree]

So is your point we are to live by a list of rules always inciting the negative behavior? It is one of the primary reason we lose so many young people to the enemy and run them off from church. Following a rule list isn't love.

Did I say anything like your conclusion?

No!

I am merely showing you that the law of God is immutable; that it wasn't abolished.