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There is one (1) passage of Canon for “everlasting punishment” (Matt.25). This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

According to the context of St. Matthew 25 and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

The foundation for “everlasting punishment” Matt. 25=

1._____________________________________________________________?

2._____________________________________________________________?

3._____________________________________________________________?

4._____________________________________________________________?

5._____________________________________________________________?

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The five qualifications for "everlasting punishment/aionios kolasis" according to the Master of Reconciliation =

I was hungry and you gave me no meal,

I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

I was homeless and you gave me no bed,

I was shivering and you gave me no clothes,

Sick and in prison, and you never visited.
 
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The responses have been overwhelming. While we wait with great patience a few questions regarding the context of St. Matt. 25>>>>

  1. Why are “virgins” in the context of Matt.25?

  2. Why is this not a comparison between pure virgins and harlots or loose women?

  3. Why are two clean animals (according to the Old Covenant) in the parable i.e. sheep & goats?

  4. Why not 1 clean animal and 1 unclean?

  5. Why not a sheep (clean) and a pig (unclean)?
WHY?
 
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Kolasis aionion -Matthew 25:46-

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46

“The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God’s punishment is always for man’s cure.”

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46

Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).

Concerning the duration of kolasis (literally - corrective punishment), Matt. 25:46 says (KJV),

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”

Scarlett’s New Testament written in 1792 has “aeonian punishment” in place to “everlasting punishment.”

“And these will go away into aeonian punishment: but the righteous into aeonian life.”

The New Covenant by Dr. J.W. Hanson written in 1884 renders Matt. 25:46:

“And these shall go away into aeonian chastisement, and the just into aeonian life.”

Young’s Literal Translation first published in 1898 and reprinted many times since uses the following words:

“And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.”

Professor Young also compiled Young’s Concordance, where one can check the translation of each Hebrew or Greek word as translated in the KJV.

The Twentieth Century New Testament first printed in the year 1900 has:

“And these last will go away ‘into aeonian punishment,’ but the righteous ‘into aeonian life.’”

The Holy Bible in Modern English by Ferrar Fenton first published in 1903 gives the rendering:

"And these He will dismiss into a long correction, but the well-doers to an enduring life.

The New Testament in Modern Speech, by Dr. Weymouth, says:

“And these shall go away into punishment of the ages, but the righteous into life of the ages.”

Dr. Weymouth most frequently adopts such terms as “life of the ages,” “fire of the ages;” and in Rev. 14:6, “The good news of the ages.”

It is a matter to regret that the editors of the most recent edition of Dr. Weymouth’s version have reverted to the KJV renderings for the passages containing the Greek word aion, eon, or age.

The Western New Testament published in 1926 renders Matt. 25:46 as follows:

“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”

The translation, however, has a footnote on Matthew 21:19 on the word “forever” which is the same word for “eternal” which says: "Literally, for the age.”

Clementson’s The New Testament (1938) shows,

“And these shall go away into eonian correction, but the righteous into eonian life.”

Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott (1942 edition) translates the verse,

“And these shall go forth to the aionian cutting-off; but the righteous to aionian life.”

It should be noted that the “cutting-off” refers to pruning a fruit tree to make it bear more fruit.

The idea behind the word is not destructive but productive! Had Jesus wanted to emphasize a destructive end, He would have used the word “timoria.”

The Concordant Version (1930):

“And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian.”

The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed printed in 1958 says:

“And these shall go away into agelasting cutting-off and the just into agelasting life.”

Joseph B. Rotherham, in his Emphasized Bible (1959), translates this verse,

“and these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but the righteous into age-abiding life.”

The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible copyrighted in 1976

has “age-abiding correction” instead of “everlasting punishment.”

Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010)

"And so, these folks will be going off into an eonian pruning (a lopping-off which lasts for an undetermined length of time; an age-lasting correction; a pruning which has its source and character in the Age), yet the fair and just folks who are in right relationship and are in accord with the Way pointed out [go off] into eonian life (life which has it source and character in the Age; life pertaining to the Age)”.

Even some King James Study Bibles will show the reader in the margins or appendixes that the King’s translators were incorrect in their rendering of "eternal punishment.”

The great Companion Bible by Dr. Bullinger is an example of that.

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46

“The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God’s punishment is always for man’s cure.”
 
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This is such an easy exercise!

The cornerstone verse for "everlasting punishment" is clearly enunciated by the Lord Jesus Christ in the parable of the sheep and the goats. What are the qualifications? There are only five (5).

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The foundation for everlasting punishment=

  1. I was hungry and you gave Me no meat.

  2. I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink:

  3. I was a stranger and you took Me not in.

  4. I was naked and you did not clothe Me.

  5. I was in prison and you did not visit Me.
Upon this foundation rests the doctrine of “everlasting punishment”, the cornerstone text for the same.
 
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What is everlasting punishment?

The key passage is Matthew 25:46: it is said that the rejected go away to eternal punishment, and the righteous to eternal life.

The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. I think it is true to say that in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment. The word for eternal is aionios. It means more than everlasting, for Plato - who may have invented the word - plainly says that a thing may be everlasting and still not be aionios. The simplest way to put it is that aionios cannot be used properly of anyone but God; it is the word uniquely, as Plato saw it, of God. Eternal punishment is then literally that kind of remedial punishment which it befits God to give and which only God can give. -Dr. Wm. Barclay-

kólasis from kolaphos=

“a buffeting, a blow” properly, punishment that “fits” (matches) the one punished.

kolaphizó= to strike violently

Like our Lord and his Apostles, the primitive Christians avoided the words with which the Pagans and Jews defined endless punishment aidios or adialeipton timoria (endless torment), a doctrine the latter believed, and knew how to describe; but they, the early Christians, called punishment, as did our Lord, kolasis aionios, discipline, chastisement, of indefinite, limited duration.
 
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The foundation for everlasting punishment=

  1. I was hungry and you gave Me no meat.

  2. I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink:

  3. I was a stranger and you took Me not in.

  4. I was naked and you did not clothe Me.

  5. I was in prison and you did not visit Me.
Upon this foundation rests the doctrine of “everlasting punishment”, the cornerstone text for the same.
Now this is a curious thing.
I don't think we can name this as the SINGLE criteria for either "everlasting punishment" or "everlasting life", but certainly one of them. It seems this can only be understood from a Universalist POV.

Matthew 25:40
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
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This is really the only part that matters not what I wrote below. John 3 16 Rom 10 9-10 the word of God speaks for itself. Its His word not mine. Never was given to me to tell you what HE really means. Jesus is real...His sheep that believe in Him know His voice. He said believe in me and you won't die but have every lasting life.

From what I read when we die we go to the Father "therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." So who comes before Him :) Not once in the word is anyone that is written in the Lambs book take out. Book of life yes. Even David said..Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous. Did we get that? Let them be blotted out. Seems they were already written in. Thats something else..

He comes and gathers the nations. These are the ones that just went through the great tribulation. And to whom is Christ answering? Christians? Nope.. not one. Jewish people asked. And He told them what they will see. WE add "Christians"..something that was not revealed till after He rose PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS! I am not saved by what I or don't do for Him. Not saved by works so no one can boast. We do this already. We talk about what "so and so" did for Him. As if thats the real true believer. A truth yet not.

Forgive me.. I will not post to people that I agree with or they teach what I personally believe ;)
 
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Now this is a curious thing.
I don't think we can name this as the SINGLE criteria for either "everlasting punishment" or "everlasting life", but certainly one of them. It seems this can only be understood from a Universalist POV.

Matthew 25:40
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Dear Steve: if there was ever one single passage of Scripture more mangled than our Lord's words in this parable, this is it. The entire context is pure virgins, clean O.T. animals, and servants of the master not investing properly.

This is life aionios, that we may know You...
 
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Dear Steve: if there was ever one single passage of Scripture more mangled than our Lord's words in this parable, this is it. The entire context is pure virgins, clean O.T. animals, and servants of the master not investing properly.

This is life aionios, that we may know You...
What does this chapter say to you about salvation?

The verse I quoted (see below) was from a passage that indicated that these who cared for the Lord's own (the church/body of Christ) were welcomed into the kingdom on the basis of those works. (nothing to do with personal faith) A very curious passage to me.

Matthew 25:40
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
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What does this chapter say to you about salvation?

The verse I quoted (see below) was from a passage that indicated that these who cared for the Lord's own (the church/body of Christ) were welcomed into the kingdom on the basis of those works. (nothing to do with personal faith) A very curious passage to me.

Matthew 25:40
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Dear Steve: It is an overwhelming fact that fulfilling the law of Christ Jesus is>>>

"Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ."
 
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The responses have been overwhelming. While we wait with great patience a few questions regarding the context of St. Matt. 25>>>>

  1. Why are “virgins” in the context of Matt.25?

  2. Why is this not a comparison between pure virgins and harlots or loose women?

  3. Why are two clean animals (according to the Old Covenant) in the parable i.e. sheep & goats?

  4. Why not 1 clean animal and 1 unclean?

  5. Why not a sheep (clean) and a pig (unclean)?
WHY?

Is it not that the law established a 3-tier hierarchy of holy, clean and unclean? The clean animals comprise the obedient (sheep) and the wayward (goats eg the prodigal son, the lost tribes).

The virgins are again the sensible and the silly, but both insiders.

I'd have thought a better passage for the damnationists to rely on would be Legion the demoniac when the demons are cast into the swine, who in turn proceed to drown themselves. Of course, the unclean demonised gentile is only throwing himself into the life-giving baptismal waters for salvation, but they could make some kind of case to say it's God inflicting the everlasting destruction on the unrighteous.

Just saying, the damnationists could use some help, their lamps seem to lack the fuel.
 
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The foundation for everlasting punishment=

  1. I was hungry and you gave Me no meat.

  2. I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink:

  3. I was a stranger and you took Me not in.

  4. I was naked and you did not clothe Me.

  5. I was in prison and you did not visit Me.
Upon this foundation rests the doctrine of “everlasting punishment”, the cornerstone text for the same.
The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime. Houston, we have a problem.
 
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The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime. Houston, we have a problem.

Yea, the view seems to be that 'condign justice' translates as 'infinitely excessive torment'. Another joyful entry in the Calvinist dictionary, I suspect.
 
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Yea, the view seems to be that 'condign justice' translates as 'infinitely excessive torment'. Another joyful entry in the Calvinist dictionary, I suspect.
Yes. And add insult to injury. They also believe that those being tormented were predestined to it. That God chose someone else to be saved and condemned them to eternal conscious torment with no hope of escape.

As if that was part of the plan. Create billions of humans only to skim a few off the top to be saved. A spiritual holocaust without end. It's hard to imagine a more slanderous thing to accuse our loving heavenly Father of. But they chalk it up to "God's justice". Seriously? How is that justice? More like tyranny.

Yet this Damnationism has been the doctrine that was handed down to us for the last 1500 or so years. And today's Christians will fight tooth and nail to preserve it. If you claim the forever burning hell is not true, they will ostracize you. (as you know full well, I'm sure)
 
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