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No attempt to post your view of the reality?Pure fantasy my friend.
I expect that is because it would be too much bother for you.
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No attempt to post your view of the reality?Pure fantasy my friend.
No attempt to post your view of the reality?
I expect that is because it would be too much bother for you.
Of course I would and I would show scriptures that prove you wrong.You would argue against it anyway!
The 7 Churchs, the 7 Seals and the 7 Trumpets are all different peoples and events, all occurring at different times.The seven seals repeat the same history as the seven churches, but with a different emphasis. In chapters 8-11 we will see how the seven trumpets cover the same basic timeline but with its own distinctive focus.
Of course I would and I would show scriptures that prove you wrong.
Of course I would and I would show scriptures that prove you wrong.
The 7 Churchs, the 7 Seals and the 7 Trumpets are all different peoples and events, all occurring at different times.
Saying they have each a distinctive focus, is the same as saying they cannot be conflated.
Proper understanding can never be achieved the way you believe.
Where's Israel if the seals are all about the church?6:1-2 The Vision of the Seven Seals
The seven seals repeat the same history as the seven churches, but with a different emphasis. In chapters 8-11 we will see how the seven trumpets cover the same basic timeline but with its own distinctive focus.
The first four seals are widely known as the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.” In Revelation the horse is an animal associated with war. See Revelation 19:11, 19. The four horsemen represent the churches as they go forth to battle their enemies. The colors of the horses (white, red, black, and pale) indicate a change from purity to apostasy.
The 1st Seal: A White horse: The Pure Church
The 2nd Seal: A Red Horse: The Persecuting Church.
The 3rd Seal: A Black Horse: The Corrupt Church.
The 4th Seal: A Pale Horse: The Dead Church.
6:9-11 The 5th Seal: The Martyred Church. “Under the altar the souls…slain for the word of God.” Apocalyptic language teaches lessons and truths in pictures or symbols. God does not keep literal souls under a literal alter in heaven. During the middle ages, the Papal system had millions of people put to death because they would not renounce Bible truth. Here is pictured, in symbolic language, the many martyrs of all ages whose blood, like the blood of Abel (Genesis 4:8-10), cries out to God for justice and a vindication of the truths for which they died. The Bible teaches that the dead in Christ rise and put on immortality when He returns. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.
Revelation 6 Commentary
Where's Israel if the seals are all about the church?
In the message(s) to the seven church's, it seems to me that Jesus had already stated to the church's how they are supposed to behave until He comes.
The correct understanding of the Prophetic Word, you mean.One of these days we will see who has the correct understanding of scripture.
This is correct, we Christians are the Israel of God, the Overcomers for Him. Therefore we are the recipients of the Promises given to Israel and those who call themselves Jews will do as Jesus said in Revelation 3:9.Any who permit Christ to transform them and to change their character receive the new name of “Israel,” just as Jacob did thousands of years ago.
How can Israel cease to exist when Gog/Magog is about Israel getting attacked in the end times?Literal Israel as a nation ceased as God's chosen people with the stoning of Steven, and the Gospel went to the Gentiles.
John 15l am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
When the Jewish nation rejected the Messiah, the Gospel was spread to all nations. All who believe in the name of Jesus can now become the spiritual descendants of Abraham (Galatians 3:16, 29; Romans 4:16; 9:3-8).
The apostle Paul calls Christians “the Israel of God” and “the circumcision.” God gave circumcision to Abraham as a symbol of belonging to God's people. When Paul refers to all Christians as “the circumcision,” he reminds us that the Kingdom of God and the covenant promises associated with it were taken from the Jews and passed on to spiritual Israel. This new circumcision is not of the body but of the heart.
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder (Matthew 21:43-44).
Any who permit Christ to transform them and to change their character receive the new name of “Israel,” just as Jacob did thousands of years ago.
New Covenant Israel
God's Israelite people in the holy Land when Gog attacks, will not be the same people as is there now. Zephaniah 1:14-18How can Israel cease to exist when Gog/Magog is about Israel getting attacked in the end times?
How can Israel cease to exist when Gog/Magog is about Israel getting attacked in the end times?
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Zephaniah 1 is a warning to Israel at the time of King of Joshiah, to stay away from the idol worship that had been going on for some time. The Day of God's wrath against the idol worship ended up being when the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and ended up with the Jews going into Babylon captivity.God's Israelite people in the holy Land when Gog attacks, will not be the same people as is there now. Zephaniah 1:14-18
No, it is not saying anything about the Gog/Magog being after the Land is devastated by the God's Day of wrath.Careful reading of Ezekiel 38 and 39, makes it clear that the People gathered out of the nations, soon after the Land is devastated by the Lord's Day of wrath, are all the faithful Christian peoples; including the Messianic Jewish survivors. Romans 9:27
Dougggish! Zephaniah 1 was never fulfilled in ancient times. It is paralleled by many prophesies that tell about the end times.Zephaniah 1 is a warning to Israel at the time of King of Joshiah, to stay away from the idol worship that had been going on for some time. The Day of God's wrath against the idol worship ended up being when the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and ended up with the Jews going into Babylon captivity.
How do you explain Ezekiel 38:8....into a land recently recovered from ruin.....the Israelites, [not just Jews] gathered out of many peoples, living safely, unprotected and undefended.No, it is not saying anything about the Gog/Magog being after the Land is devastated by the God's Day of wrath.
But Christians are scattered among the nations and it is Christians who God will pour out His Spirit onto. Ezekiel 39:29, Joel 2:19-32 Note that Joel 2:20 refers to the G/M attack.Christians were not scattered into the nations. So it is not talking about Christians in Ezekiel 38/39.
Read the text again. It is referring to baal worship. And worship of the stars. It is not modern Israel.Dougggish! Zephaniah 1 was never fulfilled in ancient times. It is paralleled by many prophesies that tell about the end times.
But Christians are scattered among the nations and it is Christians who God will pour out His Spirit onto. Ezekiel 39:29, Joel 2:19-32 Note that Joel 2:20 refers to the G/M attack.
I have been to Israel. They worship Baal by many names there.Read the text again. It is referring to baal worship. And worship of the stars. It is not modern Israel.
A statement made from sheer ignorance of what God did plan for His people.Christians were not scattered by God.
I worked with a person who was Bahai. He was an Iranian and his wife was a Jew. He was a nice person, and did not show any evidence regarding baal worship. Bahai is basically universalism, started by a self-proclaimed prophet (false) Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892).I have been to Israel. They worship Baal by many names there.
Haifa is the world headquarters of the Bai-hai faith. 20% are Muslim, even Judaism is far removed from true worship of God. Let alone the fact that half of the population are atheists!
Many, many prophesies tell us of the forthcoming Judgment of the Jews. Zephaniah 1:14-18 is just one of them. Only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
Read what it says, Keras, why the house of Israel was led into captivity. It is saying because of all their trespasses whereby they trespassed against me (Jesus speaking the text). That's not talking about the Church.A statement made from sheer ignorance of what God did plan for His people.
The Christian peoples are now scattered among the nations. They, we; ARE the House of Israel, literally and Spiritually.
Any worship other than of Jesus and Almighty God, is Baal worship.The Jews are not worshiping Baal, nor the stars, like in the text of Zephaniah 1.
Not then, but now it is. Your quote of Ezekiel 39:26-28 remains unfulfilled. The true Israelites of God, his Christian peoples, the descendants of Jacob; literally and spiritually, the sheep of the Lord, will fulfil it. Ezekiel 34:11-16, John 10:1-20Read what it says, Keras, why the house of Israel was led into captivity. It is saying because of all their trespasses whereby they trespassed against me (Jesus speaking the text). That's not talking about the Church.
What is your bible verse(s) basis for that statement?Any worship other than of Jesus and Almighty God, is Baal worship.
Of course Ezekiel 39:26-29 has not happened yet. But that is not why it is not referring to the church, Christians.Not then, but now it is. Your quote of Ezekiel 39:26-28 remains unfulfilled. The true Israelites of God, his Christian peoples, the descendants of Jacob; literally and spiritually, the sheep of the Lord, will fulfil it. Ezekiel 34:11-16, John 10:1-20