The proof of the existence of Jesus

[Fuzzy]

it is obvious that Christians have not been able to do this by relying on Jewish and early Christians accounts.

That's why they use the Roman and Greek accounts, too.

This is where there is a big difference between the faith of Christians and Muslims for unlike Christians, Muslims do not at all rely on Jewish scriptures and writings in order to strengthen our own faith and convictions.

No, you just allude to them heavily. If Mohammed was the
latest and last Prophet, then it's a reasonable statemanet that
he's building on their work. Another student of the same school, as
you put it.

why are the descendants of Ishmael wholeheartedly revering a Jewess named Maryam (ra) and her son if there is even the slightest possibility that they did not exist in history?

Because you can't claim ideological relations to another
Prophet without mentioning said Prophet. Why else would
there be such emphasis on the Divine Scriptures and the
other Messengers of God? If the Qur'an is the final message
from God to all of humanity, then it's a logical assumption there
were earlier messages. And Jesus' existence isn't nearly as much
of a sticking point as Jesus' divinity.

If the references to Maryam and her son were excluded, would the Qur'an be less valid?
Do they enhance the role of Mohammed as the
latest Prophet of God?

You're promoting the Qur'an as the book with all the answers, when
it's still a matter of faith.

 

[hamba2han]

No, you just allude to them heavily. If Mohammed was the latest and last Prophet, then it's a reasonable statemanet that he's building on their work. Another student of the same school, as you put it.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was indeed building on the work of the earlier Prophets (pbuta)... NOT of the scribes who wrote and altered the scriptures they brought to the world.

Because you can't claim ideological relations to another Prophet without mentioning said Prophet. Why else would there be such emphasis on the Divine Scriptures and the other Messengers of God? If the Qur'an is the final message from God to all of humanity, then it's a logical assumption there were earlier messages. And Jesus' existence isn't nearly as much of a sticking point as Jesus' divinity.

This still does not explain why a Jewess was accorded the honour of having a whole chapter in the Qur'an named after her... and yet not a single word was mentioned of the last Prophet's mother who was indeed a descendant of Ishmael (pbuh) and whose existence was not disputed at all.

Does it make much sense to you then that Amina (ra) was not mentioned in the Qur'an and yet a Jewess whose existence may have been in doubt was honoured with a whole chapter?

If the references to Maryam and her son were excluded, would the Qur'an be less valid?
Do they enhance the role of Mohammed as the latest Prophet of God?

If there was even the slightest doubt about the existence of the Jewess and her son, then surely it would have made a great deal more sense to include the name of Amina (ra) in the Qur'an instead of Maryam (ra), don't you think?

You're promoting the Qur'an as the book with all the answers, when it's still a matter of faith.

It is not faith but plain logic which makes the Qur'an far more convincing at proving the existence of Jesus (pbuh) than any written source before it.

 

[Fuzzy]

NOT of the scribes who wrote and altered the scriptures they brought to the world.

that's something for another thread.

... and yet not a single word was mentioned of the last Prophet's mother who was indeed a descendant of Ishmael (pbuh) and whose existence was not disputed at all.

I'll concede on that point.

Does it make much sense to you then that Amina (ra) was not mentioned in the Qur'an and yet a Jewess whose existence may have been in doubt was honoured with a whole chapter?

Many things about the Abrahamic religions don't make
sense to me. It's one reason why I'm a Pagan.
And I'll concede it is a bit odd, from a historical
standpoint. Unless Muhammed had an argument to
support, that his mother's existence didn't. Was there
a pre-existing, growing religion based around his mother?

 

[peepnklown]

Almost every historian, including the non-Christian ones, believes that Jesus Christ genuinely existed.

Are you appealing to…?

 

[pranxterstrikesagain]

Christians have never been able to offer convincing proof to the many doubters in the world who just do not believe that Jesus (pbuh) ever lived.

Actually, the good news that most Christians do not fully realise is that it is none other than the Qur'an which is the proof that he existed.

This is because if the story of Jesus did not really happen, then for what plausible reason could there be for an Arabic scripture to unreservedly proclaim a Jewess named Maryam (Mary) as one of the greatest women who ever lived and name a whole chapter in the Qur'an after her and yet by comparison, not even once mention the name of Amina (ra), the mother of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) within it?

Simple logic therefore dictates that the story of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and his mother Maryam (ra) must surely have been true for the Arabs to wholeheartedly accept and accord such a high and mighty reverence for them.

It takes faith to believe in Creation or evolution or even Qur'an. no matter what you believe in it takes faith. just like when you go to sit in a chair you have faith that it will hold you or when you turn ur computer on you have faith that it will turn on when u hit the power button.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by arunma
Almost every historian, including the non-Christian ones, believes that Jesus Christ genuinely existed.

Are you appealing to…?

Hi. Of course Jews, Christians and Muslims would also have to believe Adam and Eve "genuinely existed".

Genesis 1:22 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is saying: "Behold the 'adam! he becomes as one from Us, to know good and evil and now lest he is stretching forth his hand and he takes moreover from tree of the living ones and he eats and he lives for age/eon
23 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is sending/shalach him away from garden of Eden to serve the ground which from there he was taken.
24 And He is expelling/garash the 'adam, and he is dwelling from east to garden of Eden, 'ath' the cherubim and 'ath' flame of the sword, the one turning himself, to guard/keep 'ath' way of tree of the living ones.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.