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As mentioned earlier, Yonggi Cho's biographical accounts resemble those of Charles Finney and thus strike me as reasonably convincing.(at the risk of sounding like a Cessationist... which I am not!)
Do you have any examples of this in the last 100 years?
Ideally each step of the process should involve 100% certainty. For example, a typical sequence might look like this:100 certainty is determined after the fact. How do you know ahead of time?
Not sure what's unclear about that. I am defending my understanding of biblical evangelism, and you are defending yours.How can you call it biblical instruction?
As mentioned in a recent post, conscience is our ultimate authority, where conscience is defined as feelings of certainty. Thus an earthquake's function in Acts was to help raise the level of certainty to 100%. God evidently GLORIES (i.e. enjoys) using signs and wonders to raise our level of certainty to 100%, but He can also do this internally in our hearts without such external signs. Direct revelation can always, in fact, be defined as God-given feelings of certainty. For more discussion on this topic, see my thread.That was a good post.
But it points to a problem. There was no earthquake at Pentecost.
Houston, we have a problem.
I've never met anyone who is 100 percent. It only happens in the writing of legends. Like the book of Acts.Right. And the only distinctive criterion I can think of for recognizing the presence of the gift is 100% certainty. That's a supernaturally induced state not likely present in any and every random pew member.
I'm not defending anything. I'm challenging your lack of understanding and experience.Not sure what's unclear about that. I am defending my understanding of biblical evangelism, and you are defending yours.
John 20:29As mentioned in a recent post, conscience is our ultimate authority, where conscience is defined as feelings of certainty. Thus an earthquake's function in Acts was to help raise the level of certainty to 100%. God evidently GLORIES (i.e. enjoys) using signs and wonders to raise our level of certainty to 100%, but He can also do this internally in our hearts without such external signs. Direct revelation can always, in fact, be defined as God-given feelings of certainty. For more discussion on this topic, see my thread.
This ignores all the posts that I wrote to the contrary. So you'd try to murder your own son (Abraham), or slaughter a nation (Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, etc), just because you heard a voice, even if the voice left you somewhat uncertain? If so, you're a monster.I've never met anyone who is 100 percent. It only happens in the writing of legends. Like the book of Acts.
Not sure what your point is here.John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
That's pretty dramatic. - lolThis ignores all the posts that I wrote to the contrary. So you'd try to murder your own son (Abraham), or slaughter a nation (Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, etc), just because you heard a voice, even if the voice left you somewhat uncertain? If so, you're a monster.
Where's the 100 percent in that?Not sure what your point is here.
Where does that verse say that 100% certainty is impossible?Where's the 100 percent in that?
Saint Steven said: ↑
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
100 billion souls whose eternal salvation is at stake is actually far MORE dramatic than slaughtering a nation. You've chosen to remain in denial about how dramatic that is. And why should you be concerned? You've got your own fire insurance insurance, after all.That's pretty dramatic. - lol
I would definitely seek confirmation in a situation like that.
You are demonstrating your inexperience and lack of knowledge.
I usually get short commands like, "Talk to that person."
Inquiries about what to say go unanswered. I just have to wing it. (to be obedient)
The words come when I am obedient. Nothing close to 100 percent in advance.
Marketplace ministry, like Jesus did, happens in the moment.
Seriously?Where does that verse say that 100% certainty is impossible?
More like fire "assurance". Everyone will be salted with fire. Even you.100 billion souls whose eternal salvation is at stake is actually far MORE dramatic than slaughtering a nation. You've chosen to remain in denial about how dramatic that is. And why should you be concerned? You've got your own fire insurance insurance, after all.
Seriously?Seriously?
What percentage is "not seen"? (zero percent)
Saint Steven said: ↑
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Not sure your point. Are you claiming we all goto hell instead of heaven?More like fire "assurance". Everyone will be salted with fire. Even you.
Mark 9:45-49
And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. [46] 47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where
“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.’
49 Everyone will be salted with fire.
You have made this claim repeatedly. I need to say at this point that none of those souls are "at stake", as you say. Meaning, there are no souls that will be lost ultimately. In the end every knee will bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ as Lord. This means that at the restoration of all things none will be lost. That does not mean that we should not be about evangelism in the here and now. But that eventually all will be saved.100 billion souls whose eternal salvation is at stake...
Temporarily, yes.Not sure your point. Are you claiming we all goto hell instead of heaven?
So everyone goes to heaven eventually?Temporarily, yes.
I do not believe in a forever burning hell with no hope of escape.
And even my definition of hell is curative rather than punitive.
But there will still be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Similar to when we receive Christ and repent here on earth. - lol
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