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The power of sin is the law

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by stuart lawrence, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. stuart lawrence

    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    Paul wrote:

    The power of sin is the law
    1cor 15:56

    Why is that?
     
  2. Jason_apostle

    Jason_apostle when you live by faith you really celebrate

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    look back at all the laws humans ever made apart from God and all the wars they caused and that is your answer. usually powered and motivated by money or lust, and money is the root of all evil.
     
  3. stuart lawrence

    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    So we can equate Gods laws to man's laws in this regard?
     
  4. Shoetoyou

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    1 Corinthians 15:55-56

    It is important to read the whole verse, along with the verse before and the one after. As I see it, Paul is saying here (as elsewhere) that the law makes us aware of our sin, which leads to death...but that Christ has overcome death (and therefore sin), do that death has no sting or victory.
     
  5. Alicia Schout

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    Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
    (55) O death, where is thy sting?—In the prophet Hosea, where these words originally occur, the passage reads thus—“Where is thy victory, O death? Where is thy sting, O hell?”—the word “hell” referring, not to the place of torment, but to the Hades of departed spirits. This difference between St. Paul’s words and those of the prophet has given rise to a variety of readings in the Greek text here. The weight of evidence is in favour of the reading, “Where is thy sting, O death? Where is thy victory, O death?” the word “Hades,” or “grave,” not being introduced at all. The passage is not a quotation, but the adaptation of the form of a familiar Old Testament phrase.
    Benson Commentary
    1 Corinthians 15:55. O death, where is thy sting? — Which once was full of hellish poison. O grave — Αδης, O hades, the receptacle of separate souls; where is thy victory? — Thou art now robbed of thy spoils; all thy captives are set at liberty. “The word hades literally signifies the invisible world, or the world where departed spirits, both good and bad, remain till the resurrection, Job 11:8; Psalm 139:9; Isaiah 14:9; and especially Psalm 16:10, Thou wilt not leave my soul in hades. The place where the spirits of the righteous abide, the Jews called paradise; the place where the wicked are shut up they called tartarus, after the Greeks. There many of the fallen angels are said to be imprisoned, 2 Peter 2:4. “In this noble passage the apostle personifies death and the grave, and introduces the righteous after the resurrection, singing a song of victory over both. In this sublime song, death is represented as a terrible monster, having a deadly sting, wherewith it had destroyed the bodies of the whole human race, and the invisible world as an enemy who had imprisoned their spirits. But the sting being torn from death, and the gates of the invisible world set open by Christ, the bodies of the righteous shall rise from the grave, no more liable to be destroyed by death, and their spirits, being brought out of paradise, the place of their abode, shall reanimate their bodies; and the first use of their newly-recovered tongue will be to sing this song, in which they exult over death and hades, as enemies utterly destroyed, and praise God, who hath given them the victory over these deadly foes through Jesus Christ. Milton hath made good use of the apostle’s personification of death, book 2. ver. 666.” — Macknight.

    At funeral it does be often said: O death where is your sting?!
     
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  6. Winken

    Winken Jonah !!! Supporter

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    God came to Abraham offering Grace to the Hebrew folk as a people group. Abraham would lead them to the Promised Land. They rejected the plan.

    God came to Moses offering not Grace but Law. The Law was impossible to comply with. God was showing the Hebrew folk their blunder in not accepting Grace.

    God came to all of us as Jesus, restoring Grace for Jew and Gentile alike through / by the Cross. No more night, no more pain, no more fear, never striving again. Salvation by Grace through Faith, no strings, Romans 10:8-13. Just confess that and you are home free.
     
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  7. JIMINZ

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    Because the Law says "Thou Shalt Not"

    It is within man's sinful nature to break Law.

    Rom. 8:7
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    Rom. 4:15
    Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    1Jn. 3:4
    Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
     
  8. stuart lawrence

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    Yes. I have a grandson. When he reached the age of two, I gave him some: thou shalt nots.
    Thou shalt not go into my computer room and touch the TV, computer or telephone in there. As soon as he was told this, if he could sneak away without being seen, I would inevitably find him in my computer room, touching one of the: Thou shalt nots
     
  9. JIMINZ

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    The easiest way to understand it is, make a New Years resolution, then track how long it takes you to break it.

    Where there is no Law there is no sin.
     
  10. paul1149

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    This I hadn't heard before. Would you please verify it with the Bible? Thanks.
     
  11. Aseyesee

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    It forces you to choose, if God had not said, Adam would have not been ashamed of his nakedness.
     
  12. Soyeong

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    The first question should be: which law was he referring to?

    Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

    In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said he delighted in obeying God's Law that he served with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin that held him captive and that he served with his flesh. Paul spoke about wanting to do good, but that this law of sin was waging war within him and causing him not to do the good the he wanted to do. In other words, Paul would have no trouble doing the good that God's Law instructs if it were not for the law of sin producing all kinds of sin in him, so apart from the law of sin, sin lies dead. So 1 Corinthians 15:56 is clearly referring to the law of sin being the power of sin.
     
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  13. Soyeong

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    Do you really believe that God was acting in opposition to His grace when He gave the Law to Moses? Can a house divided against itself stand? According to Psalms 119:29, David asked God to show his grace to him by teaching him to obey His Law. According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to refrain from doing what is ungodly and sinful, which is an accurate description of what God's Law was given to instruct how to do. According to John 1:16-17, grace was added upon grace, so the grace of Christ was added upon the grace of the Law. According to Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience that faith requires. According to Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a licence to sin, and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4). According to Strong's, "grace" is defined as "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life" and when God's will is reflected in our lives it takes the form of obedience to His laws. So God's Law is not in opposition to His grace, but rather it is an extension of His grace, and is is by God's grace through faith that we are being trained in how to rightly live. According to Deuteronomy 30:11-14, what God commanded was not too difficult, but that His word is near us, in our mouths and in our heart so that we can obey it, and Romans 10:6-13 quotes that passage in regard to what our faith says and in regard to what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord, so the ideas that God's grace is opposed to God's Law and that it is impossible to obey God's Law are completely false.
     
  14. stuart lawrence

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    Can we elaborate a little, and say the power of sin would be the law of sin and death?

    Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death
    Rom8:2

    Your referral to rom7:8 is part of five verses where paul states his inibility to obey the commandment: Thou shalt not covet
    brought death to him
     
  15. Winken

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    God was gracious, indeed (Genesis 12) in offering the Promised Land (a return to the glory and wonder of the Garden of Eden for a chosen GROUP of people) --- the Path to the Promised Land was laid out before Abram, who became Abraham. The Chosen People drifted away from following Abraham, stepping outside of God's umbrella of Grace. The result was the implementation of Mosaic Law.
     
  16. Winken

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    God does not act in opposition to anything He brings forth.
     
  17. stuart lawrence

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    You quoted to me, a verse from rom7:14-24

    In those verses Paul states:
    The law is spiritual, but I am unspiritual sold as a slave to sin/ breaking Gods laws
    Verse14

    If Gods laws are not difficult to obey, why is Paul a slave of breaking them?

    For I have the desire to do what is good but i cannot carry it out
    Verse18

    So Paul has the desire to obey Gods laws but cannot.

    Again, if Gods laws are easy to obey, why can Paul not obey them?

    I do not understand what I do, for what I want to do I do not, but what I hate i do verse15

    Once again, why can Paul not obey Gods laws if they are easy to obey?

    For what I do is not the good I want to do, no, the evil i do not want to do, this I keep on doing
    Verse19

    The whole section relates to Paul being a slave if sin/ breaking Gods laws.
    He wants to obey them but he cannot obey them.

    So once again. If Gods laws are easy to obey, why is Paul sold as a slave to breaking them?
     
  18. JIMINZ

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    What is it that makes Paul a slave to sin?
     
  19. stuart lawrence

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  20. JIMINZ

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    Ok shhhh got it.
     
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