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Read Philip Jenkins - The New Christendom (latest edition). He has written about the South being the new centre of the Church and the North / West losing out to secularism. It is an interesting read!
Loved this quote from the book that Jenkins said in the first chapter of The New Christendom:
“We are currently living through one of the transforming moments in the history of religion worldwide. Over the past five centuries or so, the story of Christianity has been inextricably bound up with that of Europe and European-derived civilizations overseas, above all in North America. Until recently, the overwhelming majority of Christians have lived in White nations, allowing theorists to speak smugly, arrogantly, of ‘European Christian’ civilization. Conversely, radical writers have seen Christianity as an ideological arm of Western imperialism…”

“Over the past century, however, the center of gravity in the Christian world has shifted inexorably southward, to Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Already today, the largest Christian communities on the planet are to be found in Africa and Latin America….“Some 2 billion Christians are alive today, about one-third of the planetary total. The largest single bloc, some 560 million people, is still to be found in Europe. Latin America, though, is already close behind with 480 million. Africa has 360 million, and 313 million Asians profess Christianity….By 2050, only about one-fifth of the world’s 3 billion Christians will be non-Hispanic Whites..””


What Jenkins notes is so spot on, IMHO - as it seems that Eurocentric thought has dominated much of the world of Christendom for a long time...even as it concerns the images you see on Biblical portrayals. But the election of the new Pope has helped others see the current global trends in religion and realize that it is wrong to equate Christianity with White Eurocentrism. Much of the focus of North American studies in church history centers around Western Europe, but a proper snapshot of the average Christian during the first few centuries of this religion was one of African and Middle Eastern descent, from places such as Egypt, Syria, and much of North Africa. It's amazing that at one time we had to go to many of the third world nations to minister..but now, countries in Latin America, Asia and Africa are sending their missionaries to North America and Western Europe to evangelize.

While only 12% of non-Hispanic U.S. Catholics identify as charismatic, charismatic Christianity is "mainstream" in the Global South. And that's a hard thing to wrestle with for many in the Global North who think they are the standard. While many Catholic "liberals" seek a Catholicism indistinguishable from the beliefs of liberal mainline Protestants and while some Catholic "conservatives" seek to recreate the 1950s (many times a 1950s that never really existed), worldwide Catholicism has moved on, as Jenkins points out: to a much more charismatic form where healings and visions and spiritual warfare are normal, where moral and doctrinal teaching is conservative, and where progressive political views especially favor the poor. And, as Jenkins said in another talk, that same Global South has come to us and is now here in the United States.

You'd probably enjoy one of the talks from Philip Jenkins on the ways that the Church in Europe still has a lot to look forward to and hope in.


His podcast are pretty good stuff in regards to discussing Global Christianity. Have you heard of the how Philip Jenkins had a new book come out entitled The New Faces of Christianity: Believing the Bible in the Global South. The book is a follow-up to his 2002 title, The Next Christendom: the Coming of Global Christianity and is a really excellent read on the issue :)
 
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"Life is a path and when we stop on it, it is not good," Francis said, while adding: "we can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a church."
The 76-year-old pontiff went as far as to liken a church that lost its spiritual focus to a child's sandcastle.
"What would happen would be like when children make sandcastle," said Francis. "Then it all comes crashing down."
Pope Francis tells church to 'renew spiritually or crumble' | News | DW.DE | 14.03.2013

Francis, the humble new pope | World | DW.DE | 14.03.2013

Francis is unlikely to be the modernizer that many critics of the church are hoping for. The Jesuit has used many opportunities to speak out frankly against social injustice but he also is close to the very conservative Catholic group "Comunione e Liberazione." He is opposed to Liberation theology popular in Latin America. Will such a pope question essential tenets of Catholic theology?
Opinion: Francis, the transitional pope? | World | DW.DE | 14.03.2013

Saint Francis preached poverty for the church. That choice of name by Jorge Mario Bergoglio could point his papacy in a certain direction, Shay thinks, standing in St. Peter's Square. "He's a simple man, he takes the bus to work. He's very humble. Maybe he's going to bring some of that to his papacy. With the name Francis, maybe he wants to bring a certain simplicity to the church. But it's too early to tell."
Bergoglio! Who? | World | DW.DE | 14.03.2013
 
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Just hours after he was elected the first non-European pope in history, Francis sent a letter to Rome's chief rabbi Riccardo di Segni, saying he hoped to "contribute to the progress that relations between Jews and Catholics" have seen since the 1962-1965 Second Vatican Council.
"We hope that his word and his example contribute to the achievement of harmony brotherhood and peace among all peoples," the Italian Rabbinical Assembly said, pledging to do its part to foster dialogue between Jews and Catholics "with mutual respect for their respective identities."
News from The Associated Press


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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]To all those who give credence to Malachy, but feel Francis doesn't live up to the descriptor "Petrus Romanus":

I was to be honest a bit disappointed Tarcisio wasn't elected.[/FONT]

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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]If I calculated correctly, פרנציסקוס adds up to 656.
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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Another bummer.
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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]However, I read a comment on the internet:
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"Bergoglio.. means rock or fortress in german ... CHECK
Parents of Pope are Italian .. he has Italian blood... CHECK"
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The implication is Francis fulfills the prophecy of being Petrus (rock) Romanus (Italian.)[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]
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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]"Jorge Mario Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of Mario José Bergoglio, a railway worker born in Portacomaro (Province of Asti) in Italy's Piedmont region, and his wife Regina María Sívori, a housewife born in Buenos Aires to a family of northern Italian (Piedmontese-Genoese) origin."[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Pope Francis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]I don't know about the claim of Bergoglio meaning rock - in German.[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]However it does have "berg" (meaning "mountain" in several languages) in it.[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Sounds like a Italicized (Romanized, if you will) form of the word.[/FONT]
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Of course, we note that none of the other popes bore the symbolic-descriptive names Malachy assigned to them.
 
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[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]I don't know about the claim of Bergoglio meaning rock - in German.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]However it does have "berg" (meaning "mountain" in several languages) in it.[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Sounds like a Italicized (Romanized, if you will) form of the word.[/FONT]

Whomever thought that one up, definitely doesn't have a whole lot of background in German at all. :sorry:

Given it is an Italian name, one would do better to investigate from that end. Honestly? yeah, no. :sorry:
 
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Bergoglio, 76, who took the name Francis, making him the first pope in history to do so.

The first Jesuit pope in history, he chose a name never used in the church’s 2,000-year history, signaling to Vatican analysts that he wants a new beginning for the faith.

“It’s a genius move,” Marco Politi, a papal biographer and veteran Vatican watcher, said of the selection. “It’s a non-Italian, non-European, not a man of the Roman government. It’s an opening to the Third World, a moderate. By taking the name Francis, it means a completely new beginning.”

The new pope says that he took the name from St Francis of Assisi.

Some info on St Francis:

He was born: Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone

His father was Pietro Bernardone dei Moriconi


'Berg' in many languages stands for mountain. In the English language we also use this in the word 'iceberg' literally a mountain of ice, floating in the ocean.

The second part of his name 'Oglio', it seemed familiar to me as a name in my family is similar. I looked it up, and found a river in Italy.

It is a tributary of the Po river in northern Italy. The Oglio is formed from the confluence of two mountain streams .


'Oglio' is more commonly known as Olio, used mainly with Oliva which means 'olive'. You will see this on many Italian Olive Oil containers. Olio d'Oliva.

L'olio D'Oliva is how it appears in Italian
L'huile D'Olive is how it is written in French
El aceite de Oliva is how it is written in Spanish

These are all 'Romance Languages' They all have the same origin, Latin. But notice that the word for Olive stays the same (Oliva is singular, Olive is plural) but the word for oil changes quite drastically.
 
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That one's outright false
The director of the Catholic News Agency of Argentina (AICA) has told CNA that claims of Pope Francis supporting gay civil unions when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires are not true.
...Rubin’s statements about the future Pope Francis “are not true, they are totally inaccurate.”
“He never said who said it and when. It’s wrong to invent something like this out of thin air. That article was severely criticized by the bishops. He probably was referring to (heterosexual) domestic partnerships, but not that anything be legalized,” Woites said.
Claims that Pope supported gay civil unions disputed :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)
 
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The south, as opposed to the North and West is the answer.
Agreed - as there has long been a lack of good representation for the rest of the world in its ethnic/cultural influences.
 
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He probably was referring to (heterosexual) domestic partnerships, but not that anything be legalized,” Woites said... now isn't that double speak...??
No, that's not double speak.

"You guys need to work on some sort of civil law for couples who live together" in the context of the catholic church almost never means LGBT relationships. Therefore, no double-speak.
 
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No, that's not double speak.

"You guys need to work on some sort of civil law for couples who live together" in the context of the catholic church almost never means LGBT relationships. Therefore, no double-speak.
So which is it... for or against.??
 
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