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The Physics Underlying The Greenhouse Gas Effect Of Earths Atmosphere

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Heissonear, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. Loudmouth

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    What changes albedo over time? What is the residence time of water vapor in the air? How can water vapor drive long term climate change?
     
  2. Loudmouth

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    Are you saying that scientists and politicians are making up the greenhouse effect?
     
  3. Loudmouth

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    The problem is that we have politicians trying to run away from the scientific facts because those facts are inconvenient for the people who donate to their campaigns. In this thread, we have people who can't seem to accept the basic physics of the greenhouse effect. What does that tell you?
     
  4. Justatruthseeker

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    Agreed, in this thread we have people that can't seem to accept the basic physics that an insulator works both ways and is not a magical one-way mirror.

    And hence this cycles temperature did not reach temperatures of the past - and we have not yet begun that downward trend.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Loudmouth

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    You still can't answer this basic question.

    Is carbon dioxide transparent to the visible wavelengths of light produced by the Sun?
     
  6. essentialsaltes

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    Ask yourself this: Does the sun emit the same proportion of frequencies of light as the earth?

    Hint: Look at the ground. Is it glowing yellow/white hot?
     
  7. Loudmouth

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    And further, by putting an insulator between the Earth and the Sun, would this warm or cool the Earth? When you put an ice chest insulator between the Sun and your ice, does it make the ice melt slower or faster?
     
  8. [serious]

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    That graph is actually a great example of the current problem.

    Let me use an analogy, what would happen if you are driving your car and hit a brick wall at 10 miles per hour? What would happen if you hit that same wall at 100 miles per hour?

    Eyeballing that chart, looks like we see 5 degree swings over the course of 5000 years, or a rate of 1 degree every 1000 years. Current warming trends over the part 40 years are 10 times more rapid.
     
  9. Heissonear

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    Look it up. Recent evidence is showing it to be one of the major natural factors that caused the 1978-1998 temp increase. Again, look it up.

    Clouds happen to be what computer models cannot model. Computer modelers have to manually put in an x amount to then run simulations (I.e. insert a fixed number from their best educated estimation). Recent excuses for the "failed" Global Warming computer models is the cloud parameter. Again, look it up.

    Why? A 2% change in earth's cloud cover over a 1 year period will result in a 1°F change in earth global temperature!!! For 2% more clouds a 1% decrease in global temperature; a 2% decrease in cloud cover and a 1% increase in global temperature!!! Again, look it up.

    The natural factors must first be understood and the natural baseline established in what weather and climate we will have before anyone can come to understand what effects CO2 has on earths temperature. The baseline set by natural factors must be established first.

    The natural factors baseline has never been established in climatology, however this is the pivot in knowing how much influence each natural or manmade climate variable has on Global Warming or Cooling.

    The IPCC, in particular, through promoting bad science has made people think CO2 over powers all natural factors and is the control knob controlling earths temperature. They have promoted that if society raises atmospheric CO2 content then the earth temperature will go up proportional to CO2 content; if society brings atmospheric CO2 levels down then the earths global temperatures will go down. The IPCC and other organizations promote CO2 is THE control knob to control earths temperature.

    That has been one of the misleading "science is settled" over promotions for an agenda.

    I've been like everyone else and have had to learn and discern to find out what is going on.
     
  10. Loudmouth

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    Your claim. You look it up.

    What drives long term changes in albedo and water vapor content in the atmosphere?

    What would drive long term changes in cloud cover? What is the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere?

    How do you get a long term change of 2%? What are the mechanisms involved?

    We don't have to understand every single cancer to understand that someone died of a bullet wound.

    CO2 traps heat. You have done nothing to prove otherwise. Where do you think that extra trapped heat goes?
     
  11. Aldebaran

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    I'm saying that they're taking a theory that has since been disproven and are now clinging to it to further political agendas.
     
  12. Loudmouth

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    When was the greenhouse effect disproven?
     
  13. Aldebaran

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    Numerous times by numerous sources as has been pointed out to you already in this thread. You're just asking the same questions now and going in circles.
     
  14. Loudmouth

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    Show me a single source that disproves any of the information in this figure.

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    Show me a single source that disproves the wavelength and power spectrum of the Sun, the Earth, or the absorbance spectra of the gases listed in the figure.

    I will stop asking them when people try to answer them.
     
  15. Aldebaran

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    You can start with page 8 of this thread.


    When they try? You can go back and do some reading, starting with page 1 of this thread. After 12 pages, I think it's obvious people have been trying to answer you. It's up to you to try to listen to the answers.
     
  16. Loudmouth

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    I have been a part of this thread since post 1. Not a single poster has refuted a single piece of this figure.

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    Even you can't point to a single post that does so.
     
  17. Aldebaran

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    Maybe it'll be refuted when we accept that they know just how much earth thermal radiation is going out versus what is going in, and other items they have to guess about. The earth is more complicated than measuring the temperature in a house with a thermometer and furnace and then knowing how much heat came in and what went out. You're placing way too much faith in people who want you to believe they know everything. They don't. But they sure can gain control of people when they can get them to believe they do.
     
  18. Loudmouth

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    Let's make this even easier and break down that figure a bit.

    First, the power spectrum of the Sun.

    Where has anyone ever refuted that some of the most intense light produced by the Sun falls within the wavelengths that are visible to our eyes?

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  19. Loudmouth

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    None of that is part of this diagram.

    [​IMG]

    Show me a single thing in this figure that is wrong or unknown.
     
  20. Aldebaran

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    :sleep:
     
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