The people of Lut were punished mainly because....

[Yytz6]

You could name the main reason only or put the reasons in the appropriate order; from the worst sin to the least. Or explain what happened on a larger scale in your opinion.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You could name the main reason only or put the reasons in the appropriate order; from the worst sin to the least. Or explain what happened on a larger scale in your opinion.

When you say Lut, I assume you're talking about the story of Lot and why the region of Sodom and Gommorrah is now the dead sea.

The main sin brought up by Christians is the homosexuality, but the only sin brought up by the prophet Ezekiel is that they were wealthy and well nourished but would not help the poor among them.

Since the root of God's teachings is to love God and love your neighbour as yourself, the not showing consideration for the poor was the main reason.

The next reason was the inability to show hospitality to visitors.

The next reason was going against the created order in their abusive demands. However, the custom back then to give your daughter to the riotous group for sexual abuse instead of your guests, is pretty messed up also . . . but apparently it was common practice?

 

[~Zao~]

When you say Lut, I assume you're talking about the story of Lot and why the region of Sodom and Gommorrah is now the dead sea.

The main sin brought up by Christians is the homosexuality, but the only sin brought up by the prophet Ezekiel is that they were wealthy and well nourished but would not help the poor among them.

Since the root of God's teachings is to love God and love your neighbour as yourself, the not showing consideration for the poor was the main reason.

The next reason was the inability to show hospitality to visitors.

The next reason was going against the created order in their abusive demands. However, the custom back then to give your daughter to the riotous group for sexual abuse instead of your guests, is pretty messed up also . . . but apparently it was common practice?

What your calling common practise was not common practice at all. In fact it was the downfall of the tribe of Benjamin. Judges last chapter. If the judgement had been carried out Paul would not have ever existed.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What your calling common practise was not common practice at all. In fact it was the downfall of the tribe of Benjamin. Judges last chapter.

Well, that's because the woman died, and then the priest did something unprecedented that started a war. The reason why the tribe of Benjamin became so small is repeated throughout the book of Judges.

In those days there was no king in Israel, every man did what was right in his own eyes.

 

[~Zao~]

Well, that's because the woman died, and then the priest did something unprecendented that stated a war. The reason why the tribe of Benjamin became so small is repeated throughout the book of Judges.

In those days there was no king in Israel, every man did what was right in his own eyes.

Is that why? Thank you for the input.

 

[Yytz6]

When you say Lut, I assume you're talking about the story of Lot and why the region of Sodom and Gommorrah is now the dead sea.

Yes, of course.

You really think he offered his daughter(s) and not the young women there in general?

Is there rape?

 

[com7fy8]

Well, if we are talking about Lot's area . . . they were not only homosexuals, but they tried to rape two angels.

Also, in Romans 1:18-32, our Apostle Paul says people turned against God, and for this reason God turned them over to their lusts so they did what was not natural with each other. So, their becoming unnatural was not only a sin but a consequence, including how they received "in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."

Their sinning brought a built-in punishment. The punishment was not only that they could not function affectionately with a woman who wants and loves children. But inside themselves, they got into more and more deep spiritual and emotional ruin, of an anti-love nature. They were so missing out on love > this was the main consequence and punishment.

Their problem started with worshiping and serving the creature instead of God, and they were not "thankful". Then God turned them over to those dominating and dictatorial drives which dragged men to do what is unnatural with other men. Those unloving and using drives kept men from being able to tenderly care for and enjoy women who desired to affectionately share while having children.

They were anti-love, then; their preference was for "the creature"; and so, I can see, they preferred the creature things they could use for pleasure. But this dragged them on to also not be able to affectionately share with a kind and caring lady for reproduction. So, they became anti-sexual, since God designed sex for reproduction, not only for using people for pleasure. But, of course, if God has people in marriage without children, I do not mean to say their sharing is anti-sexual > God does give "us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17)

We are talking here, about what became of people who were willfully anti-God.

They became anti-sexuals, by first not putting God first, and by not being "thankful". For ones who are not thankful and who are anti-sexual, enough is not enough. Those men in Sodom were not satisfied with what they already had; so they even tried to rape the two angels who came to Lot's house.

But there are men married who are incapable of tenderly and affectionately enjoying their wives. Even though they might be able to do physical sex, inside themselves they are weak so frustration and controlling emotions can drag them into arguing and boozing and isolating themselves with other men for violent sports.

"Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them." (Colossians 3:19)

There are men who even mutilate little girls so the girls can not experience sexual enjoyment with their husbands. Such anti-God men are weak so they can give in to hate and such brutal behavior and unforgiveness. So, they have their built-in ruin of sin, which comes with being against God.

But Jesus is able to get forgiveness for cruel and ruined people who do not know how to love. And with Jesus we can learn how to share personally with our Heavenly Father in His own peace > Colossians 3:15 > while we discover how to love any and all people.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, of course.

You really think he offered his daughter(s) and not the young women there in general?

Is there rape?

The text says what it says, it is possible it says something different in the quran, but that's the way it usually is. Speculation of men, does not result in the oracles of God.

 

[DW1980]

they were not only homosexuals, but they tried to rape two angels.

No, they were not homosexuals. Homosexual men make up about 4% of men, homosexual women 1-2%. Genesis 19:4-5 says

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom – both young and old – surrounded the house. They called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.’​

Male-male rape was common in the ancient world as a means of expressing dominance. It had nothing to do with sexual orientation and everything to do with violence.

 

[com7fy8]

expressing dominance.

doing what is inferior, not loving

"expressing", but not really superior

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Jesus the One so superior did not stay in Heaven, but He is so unconceited that He left Heaven in order to reach us and save us and share all His own good with us. So, I can see how the Sodomites were so exactly anti-love, and this is included in how they were so evil.

But others, also, can be anti-love, picking and choosing who they dictate and judge is good enough for them. But Jesus says, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" in Matthew 5:46.

Plus, Jesus said other cities will be in more trouble on the day of judgment, than Sodom will be > Mark 6:10-12 < because they refused the disciples whom Jesus sent. So, I can see they are more evil than the Sodomites who tried to rape the two angels.

And we see how religious mommies and daddies socially accepted were capable of rejecting Jesus and cursing their own children with the blood of Jesus > Matthew 27:25.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes, of course.

You really think he offered his daughter(s) and not the young women there in general?

Is there rape?

The text says he tried to offer his daughters to the mob. It was a grotesque thing to try to do. The whole story is rather wretched, displaying the violent abhorrence of the city--and Lot doesn't come across as looking any better.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

You could name the main reason only or put the reasons in the appropriate order; from the worst sin to the least. Or explain what happened on a larger scale in your opinion.

According to the Bible the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their abhorrent mistreatment of the poor, hungry, and needy. In the story found in Genesis, contrasted with the story of Abraham's hospitality, the people of the city formed a violent mob which sought to gang rape the visitors; that squares pretty solidly with abhorrent mistreatment of people.

-CryptoLutheran