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The Partial Preterist Believers Safe House

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by 1disciple, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. ebedmelech

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    I view Armegeddon as the end of spiritual warfare for God's people. This is not a physical battle...it goes back to Paul advising us to put on the full armor of God beginning at Ephesians 6:10.

    This battle goes on continuously and we are to be fully engaged with the full armor of God on...For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    I really like that passage put to music by Integrity Music:
     
  2. LittleLambofJesus

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    I don't agree with that.
    Both Armageddon and Gog Magog are shown to be real battles as prophecied in the OT and NT [Olivet Discourse]

    Revelation 16:
    14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which are going-out upon the kings of the whole home-land<3625>, to-be-together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.
    16 And they together-leading/mobilize/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddon<717>

    Revelation 20:8
    and he shall be coming out<1831> to deceive the nations, the ones in the Four Corners of the land, the Gog and Magog,
    to be together-leading/gathering/sunagagein <4863> them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand<285> of the Se<2281>a.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

    Is this a spiritual or physical event?

    Revelation 19:17 And I another Messenger having stood in the sun,
    and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered!/sunagesqe <4863> into the great Supper of the GOD.
    18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings and fleshes of thousand-chiefs<5506> and fleshes of strong ones, and fleshes of horses and of the ones sitting on them and fleshes of all free ones<1658> besides also slaves<1401> and of small ones and of great ones<3173>
    ......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]
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    "WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation
    Matt 24 Luke 17 70ad and Revelation [Eschatology 11-2-18]

    4430. ptoma from the alternate of 4098;
    a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.... occurs 5 times in 4 verses

    Matthew 24:28
    for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures be gathered together.

    4983 soma from 4982;
    the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave..................occurs 146 times in 122 verses

    Luke 17:37
    And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
    and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures be gathered together.'


    Revelation 18:
    8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,
    death and sorrow and famine.
    And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,
    that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

    13“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies<4983> and souls of men.
     
  3. ebedmelech

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    I welcome your disagreement. Let me correct myself in what I said. I confused Armageddon with the battle of Gog and Magog, which is Revelation 20. Which I view as the end of spiritual warfare. There is no battle because Revelation 20:9 makes that clear.

    When it comes to Armageddon, that is the Judgement of Jerusalem. Revelation 16, 17, and 18 make that pretty clear.
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Ah. Thanks for clarifying that.............
    I wholeheartedly agree :oldthumbsup:
     
  5. ralliann

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    This modern teaching on the feasts disturbs me. The fall feasts include atonement for sin. So many people don't think about that. Had a family member talk about she learned about the feasts at bible study. I told her the fall feasts not being fulfilled means Jesus has not made an atonement for sin yet. She just sat there stunned not recognizing the significance of it until I said it.
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    I found that thread and am reading thru it now........fascinating study........

    Are the feast days fulfilled?

     
  7. ebedmelech

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    You'll come across some interesting links I posted in that thread. At points it got contentious.
     
  8. William Lefranc

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    What is your take on the meaning of the ten virgins?
     
  9. parousia70

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    This From Parable of the 10 Virgins, Matthew 25, Future or AD 70? |

    I tend to agree with their points:


    First, the marriage of the bridegroom occurs after the city is destroyed. This follows the same pattern as that found in Revelation 18 and 19, when the harlot city, Mystery Babylon is destroyed.

    Secondly, the parable occurs within the lifetime of the same virgins who took the oil. It is not an event which begins with one generation of virgins and ends 20 centuries later with another group of virgins.

    Since it is not true that these virgins could have lived almost 2,000 years, it makes the point that “all these things” would take place before that generation passed away.

    This shows the unbroken link between Matthew 24 and Matthew 25.

    Thirdly, the idea of “shutting the door” marks the time of judgment. In keeping with the first century context, Luke shows to whom this language is addressed.

    Jesus’ ministry involved teaching in cities and villages in Palestine, mostly Galilee and in Jerusalem. When he arises to shut the door, as indicated in the parable, many stand outside and knock saying Lord, Lord open to us.

    He refuses, and they then begin to answer, ‘We ate and drank in your presence and you taught in our streets.’” (Luke 13:25, 27)

    There is only one generation of people who could ever claim to have eaten and drank in the presence of Christ. “And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, ‘This man receives sinners and eats with them,’” (Lk. 15:1)

    Speaking of those who murdered John, the Baptist, Jesus asked, “But to what shall I liken this generation?” (Matt. 11:16)

    He said, that same generation spoke of him, saying, “The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, “look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners! (Matt. 11:19)

    The point is that it is the same generation who charged him as a glutton and winebibber who ate with sinners and in whose streets he taught, that were shut out when they arose to enter at the time of the judgment/wedding.

    Therefore, the parable of the 10 virgins, Matthew 25, is but a continuation of Jesus’ discussion of the destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24, all of which occurred before that 1st century generation passed.
     
  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    Good post parousia.
    Note also, just as the cry came at midnight in Matthew 25:6, that is also the time Yahweh came as the Destroyer during the Passover event in Exodus 12

    Parable of the Ten Virgins

    Exodus 11:4 And Moses is saying thus says Yahweh at mid/02676 chatsowth of the night, I going forth in midst<08432 tavek> of Egypt.
    Exodus 12:
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    And Yahweh is saying to Moses and to Aaron in land of Egypt to say of 2 "This month for ye beginning of months, first for ye, to months of the year.
    23 And Yahweh passes<5674 `abar> to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and Yahweh passes-over<6452 pacach> the portal and not He shall allow the ruiner/destroyer<07843 shachath>/<1842 oleqreuonta> to come to houses of ye to strike.

    29 And is becoming mid<02677 chetsiy> of the night and Yahweh smote every of firstborn in land of Egypt, from firstborn of Pharaoh, the one sitting on his throne, unto firstborn of the captive which in house of cistern and every of firstborn of beast.

    Matthew 25:
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    Who any foolish getting the lamps of selves not they got with themselves oil
    4 The yet prudent ones got oil in the holders with the lamps of them. [Matt 13:48]
    5 Of tarrying yet the Bridegroom they nod all and are slept.
    6 Of middle yet of night a cry has occured "behold! the Bridegroom. Be ye coming out! into meeting of Him".
    7 Then were roused all the virgins those and they adorn/trim the lamps of-selves.
    8 The yet foolish ones to the prudent ones say "be ye giving us! out of the oil of ye, that the lamps of us are extinquishing".
    9 Answered yet the prudent ones "no lest not no should be sufficing to us and to ye. Be ye going! rather to the ones selling and buy ye! for selves".
    10 Of coming away yet of them to purchase, came the Bridegroom and the prepared ones entered with Him into the marriage-festivities, and is locked the door.
    11 Subsequently yet are coming also the rest of the virgins saying "Lord! Lord! open Thou! to us"
    12 The yet answering He said "Verily I am saying to ye not I have known ye"

    The Destroyer is also mentioned in Reve 9:11

    Revelation 9:11
    and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name is having Destroyer

    And like in Matt 25:10, the way to the Sanctuary is closed.......fascinating!

    Revelation 15:8
    And is being-filled-full/repleted the Sanctuary of smoke out of the Glory of the God, and out of the power of Him.
    And no-one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary until should be being finished the seven blows/stripes of the seven messengers. [Matthew 12:29]


     
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  11. William Lefranc

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    Thank you for your response, but I was looking for some sort of insight on the meaning of the 10 virgins in a contextual form. In other words, what do the 10 virgins represent in the story that Jesus told His hearers about what the kingdom of God was like?

    Although I'm leaning towards the idea that the 10 virgins represented old covenant Israel, I'm open for other insights. The fact that five of them didn't have enough oil (insight into the kingdom of God mysteries?) is at least to me, is an indication that the nation of Israel was divided whether to believe or to reject Him as their promised Messiah.

    Fifty percent were ready while the other fifty percent were not. Half went one way, while the other half was on the right track. The fact that all 10 (ten is the number of completion) fell asleep indicates that the entire nation was expecting another kind of king in the likes of King David. An earthly, political and bloody king that would deal with the Romans, but not with the issues of the heart.

    To them, the sin-issue was "kind of a problem" because they had to offer sacrifices on a regular basis at the temple in order to cover them, but the greater problem was the Romans, that is, their physical enemies, not the greater problem that lay within. This is why all ten fell asleep.

    On the other hand, the coming of the bridegroom, to them (IMO), meant that the wedding feast would connect them forever with the Bridegroom, but not God's way, but their way. So, five of them (50%) were ready (kind of), while the other 50% were only ready for the coming disaster.

    So, Jesus was sending them a warning that the Bridegroom was coming at a time they were not expecting, but not to invite them to the wedding feast, but to shut the door forever because they had not been prepared for Him.

    The wedding feast (again, IMO), took place at Pentecost where the Lord lavishly poured His Holy Spirit to clothe His church with the garments of salvation. The doors then were shut 40 years later when the judgment of Israel as a people of God was finalized forever for having rejected and killed their own King while at the same time, persecuted God's people (New Israel) made out of faithful Jews (1Thes. 2:14-16).

    The doors were finally closed to the nation of Israel in AD 70 but would remain open to the Jews until the second coming which the curtains of this age will be closed forever to give room to the eternal age of holy righteousness.

    What do you think?

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  12. ebedmelech

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    The best approach to understanding is the context of what Jesus explaining. He's still speaking in the context of the "Olivet Discourse"...and Matthew 25 is just as much a part of it as Matthew 24. Peter, James, John, and Andrew are still listening.

    Would you agree with that?
     
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  13. William Lefranc

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    Yes, I think Mat. 23, 24 and 25 go hand in hand in a progressive way. When the Lord spoke what the kingdom of God was like in Mat. 25 (and other unrelated passages), He was exposing the fallacy of the Jews (including His disciples) that thought that the kingdom was an earthly domain that required an earthly king in the likes of David, Solomon, Josiah, etc.
     
  14. Daniel Martinovich

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    I think something also to be pointed out about this is the principle. Yes obviously Matthew 25 applies to Matthew 24's prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the Old Covenant Age. The end of the age or time period of God's using ancient Israel as the staging ground for his long planned invasion of planet earth. Luke 21:34 condenses Mathew 25 into one verse. As does Mark 13:37. These two verses and Matthew seem to imply that what you see happening to Ancient Israel can and will in principle happen to other nations.
    I think a good example of his relating it to Matthew 25 is America's Civil War. America's 2nd great awakening didn't extend into the southern states. Here God has been moving for well over a hundred years in North America bring forth the full fruit of a nation influenced by the Gospel. Which would natural mean the end of slavery outside of punishment for crime. I read somewhere recently where Robert E Lee claiming to be against the institution but stated in defense of slavery. "If God wants to end slavery he will do it, not man."
    My answer would be. Just what in the heck do you think God has been doing for one hundred years???? This is a perfect example though of Matthew 25. The north was receiving the message from heaven and laboring to do the will of God. The Christians in the north were the virgins who took oil in their lamps. The Christians in the south were refusing the oil because they thought they had to much personal interests tied up in the matter. The Whigs were refusing the oil because they feared confronting the evil so they chose compromise. So this condemnation that Ancient Israel received as part of the Matthew 25 prophecy was just as relevant in principle. Matt. 21: 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Look at the north's national anthem of the war in its relevancy to the subject of the Coming of the Lord.

    Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on.
    (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
    I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on.
    Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.
    I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on."
    Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.
    He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.
    Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
    In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
    Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
    He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, Our God is marching on.
    Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

    As laid out in this song. It is rather sad to see the understanding of scripture of past generations compared to the understanding of the 20th and 21st centuries Christians isn't it?
     
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  15. ebedmelech

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    When it comes to the parable of the 10 virgins....the very key is that 5 were wise and 5 were foolish. The parable rides on what Jesus said at Matthew 24:45-51. The 5 wise are true believers...the 5 foolish are not.

    When the Lord said to the 5 foolish " ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’ ", the tense of that is that He never knew them at any time. We have many in the church that don't know Christ, but they think they do. Jesus previously spoke of such in the Sermon On The Mount, where he said at Matthew 7:22,23:

    22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
    23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’


    My view is that many make more of this parable than what's really being communicated. It simply means there are true and false believers in the church...and judgment day will make it clear.
     
  16. LittleLambofJesus

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    5 is also used in this covenantle parable in Luke 16 concerning "Judah"....

    Luke 16 "Rich Man/Poor Man" parable.....The most misunderstood/misinterpreted Parable in the NT?

    Luke 16:27 Saying yet "I am asking thee then father!, that thou should be sending him into the house of my father,
    28 for I am having five brothers which he may be testifying to them that no also they may be coming into the place this of the torment".
    29 Abraham is saying to him "they are having Moses and the Prophets let them hear them!".
    30 The yet he said: "not! father Abraham, but if ever any from dead-ones may be going forth toward them they shall be reforming.
    31 Saying yet to him "if Moses and the Prophets not they are hearing, neither if ever anyone out of dead-ones may be rising, they shall be being persuaded".

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

    Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing.

    The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity.
    Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35).
    He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

    While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
     
  17. Daniel Martinovich

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    I don't think so. Otherwise Jesus would not have spent so much time teaching and prophesying about what lay ahead so those who heard might be able to escape them. The nature of things and principle don't only apply to the extreme. They apply to every point in between. This applies to believers verses unbelievers but just as well applies as principle if they were all believers. This is life. How many real believers have lost their temporal lives due to bad decisions? Not taking heed to what God was doing? Or suffered great loss because of a decision they made that was not necessarily sinful but because it was the wrong decision and when they look back in hindsight. They can clearly see what they choose was not Gods will.

    Think of how many real Christians were in Germany during the rise of Hitler. How many were in the military? They were not NAZI's, only a small percentage of the population were. In the end they lost their lives because early on they were very uncomfortable, down inside their own spirit, joining the military. They may have thought it was their only way out of poverty and towards a career that would support a family. There may have been no outward signals as to how Germany was going to go south. But they made the what seemed was the best decision , but not the God who knows the future and we don't decision. This can be directly attributed to not having ones lamp full of oil. And we all do it.

    Many people, Christian and non Christian don't realize America is going through a very big thing along these lines right now. The consequences for both the believer and the unbeliever to not take heed are pretty bad. I can sure testify of it. In the presidential primaries. I was a big Cruz supporter. Saw Trump making gains early on and since I am very involved in politics. I started to attack him. Basically "Are we going to have another north eastern liberal Republican and this one who has 20 years of headlines in tabloids be our nominee? This is nuts" But I was immediately struck by horrible grieving and loss of peace down inside my spirit. The kind of thing that makes you miserably and not able to sleep at night. I just couldn't attack the man on what I considered totally fair and balanced criticism. So I took heed. The only reason I could come up with at the time as to why God would so strongly tell me to shut my mouth. Something he has never done before over politics was I thought: Because I had friends and clients who were early Trump supporters who were not going to change their minds. I thought God was stopping me from alienating them from myself. Once he won the nomination though and gave his speech at Gettysburg. That was the first time I noticed some things about him that made me comfortable with him.

    As the general election drew near that is when it got much more spiritual. Not only was I strangely confident he would win. I started to see through the outward appearance of both Democrats and Republicans that down inside of them. God was ministering to them the same thing he has been doing to me the whole time. Not in the same way becasue most people are not even Christians. But I could clearly see that the Democrat media heads although intellectually all in on Hillary. I could see down in side of them a fear and trepidation of what a Hillary presidency would mean for the country. Down inside I could see that spiritually, secretively, not intellectually. They all they knew Trump would be better for the country. They knew Trump was God's will. This was a BIG DEAL. In my 35 years as a very prayerful and a recipient of way more grace than I deserved Christian. I had never seen anything that God was doing on so large a scale that was touching everyone. Believer and unbeliever.

    I started to warn people based on this as to why their Trump opposition was causing them such personal torment. Told them my story. Told them to test it and see if it is so. Told them stop the opposition and see what happens to you. Thankfully some people took heed. Once very famous one who was going to leave the Republican party over it. After the election I started to run into dozens of prophecies on video. Some over a decade old of the Trump presidency and the good things that would result. Some brought a lot of clarity as to how God got him elected even though he was the only Republican to consistently poll behind Hillary.

    Now here is the thing relating back to the principle of the ten virgins parable and how it applies to many situations. Back them the light of the world came on the scene. There was never such light, nor ever will be. Nor such a spiritual happening that happened at that time in that place. To reject that light because of selfish considerations meant nothing short of a whole chain of natural causes and effects that would result in the destruction of the nation. You could see the utter madness when even though the Jewish people under the dominion of the tyrants broke every condition Titus laid out for their quarter. In the end when the city was conquered and the survives rounded up. He once more offered them forgiveness if they would swear allegiance. Their answer? God will deliver us out of your hand. So he crucified most of the survivors. Sold the rest into slavery. That was the madness and self delusion, self destruction that rejecting the greatest light from heave that not having your lamps filled can bring.

    In our case with Trump. There is definitely light from heaven on this matter that has been manifesting itself in the spirits of the people of this nation since before Trump got elected. That light has increased in the intellectual realm due to Trumps actions. People see he meant what he said and is doing things no other president dared to do. Things that if they pan out will result in everyone's benefit. Doesn't take to much to see that God is in on this whole enterprise due to the fact that no one is able to bring him down. Not even his own checkered past. Not for lack of trying. But you can see what is now commonly called Trump derangement syndrome. That is the result of rejecting light from heaven and it will work towards getting him reelected in the end.

    How it will all end up I don't know. I am not a prophet. Not privy to the future. I just see what God is doing now and what his will is. But this is the parable in principle. the process of the parable. There is promise, represented by a wedding feast that lay ahead for those who took oil in their lamps. those who are taking heed to the work God is involved in. They are the virgins who are going towards that feast. Those who are rejecting the light from heaven becasue they are just downright sinners or have special interests Trump is interfering with. Or real Christians who are just plain erring in their walk and can't reconcile the possibility of Trump having anything to do with God and are opposing him? They are already reaping what they are sowing with more to come.
     
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    When you say that the ancient Jews and His disciples thought that the kingdom was going to be an "earthly domain" .....you don't mean that the "Kingdom of God = heaven" do you?

    That gets kind of difficult to parse out, because.....while their perception was that He was going to restore Israel just like human kings did (with a force of a military or politically).....I still believe His kingdom IS "on earth as it is in heaven". IOW.....it's a spiritual kingdom.....but we are still here on earth.
     
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    What's being dealt with here is one parable, which communicates one truth..."are we ready when Jesus comes"?

    You've written quite a bit...yet and still much of what you say has nothing to do with the parable. It deals with one subject..."what is your status when the bridegroom comes"? One always does better to hold to context. To figure in all this other "stuff" you talk about is not in the parable Daniel. What we know is 5 virgins were wise and 5 virgins were foolish. The bridegroom had no knowledge of the foolish...He never knew them! That's all that's there.
     
  20. Daniel Martinovich

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    The truth is, whether you like it or not. Is that the coming of the Lord is not an event at the end of the world as we know it. So you confound the entire issue right off the bat and remove its practical reality from the lives of all generations of believers.
     
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