The Pale Horse

[Rick Scott]

He told them to watch for something He knew they'd never see?

Those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will see those days. Jesus was giving a general warning.

 

[parousia70]

In your mind then, the only disciples that Christ has or ever will have are the ones that lived during the days He lived? Thus, there are no disciples anymore, in any sense.

How did you get that from what I asked? In your view are the apsotles somehow EXCLUDED from being the disciples Jesus told to watch?

 

[parousia70]

Those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will see those days. Jesus was giving a general warning.

Right, so He really didnt mean for the apostles to watch for anything then did He? You figure they understood it that way? As a "general warning" not meant for them to heed? A warning they could disregard as irrelevant to them, the way you indicate it was?

 

[Rick Scott]

Right, so He really didnt mean for the apostles to watch for anything then did He? You figure they understood it that way? As a "general warning" not meant for them to heed? A warning they could disregard as irrelevant to them, the way you indicate it was?

I never indicated that the warning to watch was irrelevant for the apostles. Jesus wants all disciples to watch and wait for his coming.

 

[parousia70]

I never indicated that the warning to watch was irrelevant for the apostles. Jesus wants all disciples to watch and wait for his coming.

But your position is, it was in fact irrelevant to the apostles.

Unless you can explain how it was relevant to them?

 

[Rick Scott]

But your position is, it was in fact irrelevant to the apostles.

Unless you can explain how it was relevant to them?

No that's not my position. Jesus wants all of his disciples to watch and wait just a bride prepares herself for her groom.

 

[parousia70]

No that's not my position. Jesus wants all of his disciples to watch and wait just a bride prepares herself for her groom.

What becomes of the Christians who have lived and died before us who didn't watch? Do they lose their salvation because they didn't watch for an event that was ordained by God to never come to pass in their lifetimes?

 

[claninja]

This video claims we are in the Pale Horse. What do you think?

Just more false prophecy from another hyper futurist. In 6 months, if a fourth of the world’s population hasn’t died, then we can add this teacher, from “highlight ministries”, to the list of those who have made failed predictions. Interestingly enough, hyperfuturists have a 100% failure rate in predictions….

Deuteronomy 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him

 

[DavidPT]

How did you get that from what I asked? In your view are the apsotles somehow EXCLUDED from being the disciples Jesus told to watch?

For example. If there are storms in the area and that folks are being told to be on the look out for tornadoes, but that a tornado never occurs, were these folks watching in vain, being told in vain to do something that never happens to them? Probably not, right?

The point being, just because someone is being told to be watchful about things, but that these things never come to pass, that doesn't mean they are being watchful in vain, it just means they are being watchful just in case.

Unless there are no more disciples in any sense after that of the days Christ and His main disciples at the time lived during, and unless the body of Christ is not essentially one big family, this means what He says to one disciple can apply to other disciples, even to disciples not even born yet if what He indicated to be watchful about, that none of those things ever came to pass in their lifetimes. Meaning during the days of His main disciples at the time.

Obviously, some things can only apply to those living at the time, such as what eventually happened in 70 AD. That is a one time event that will never be repeated. Yet, some things can apply to both His disciples at the time and to future disciples.

But when Jesus is telling His disciples at the time, for example, to be watchful for His coming, but that His coming never happens in their lifetimes, obviously this means that disciples in the future need to be watchful as well, because the odds are that eventually He is going to come during someone's lifetime, but if no one is being watchful at the time, because some are assuming Jesus was only meaning anyone alive during His day and time, we then encounter a problem. These disciples are not doing what Jesus said to do, to be watchful of His coming. I'm assuming this would mainly only be meaning Preterists since they are mainly the ones who a lot of the time are interpreting much of what Jesus said, in a vacuum.

 

[parousia70]

For example. If there are storms in the area and that folks are being told to be on the look out for tornadoes, but that a tornado never occurs, were these folks watching in vain, being told in vain to do something that never happens to them? Probably not, right?

The point being, just because someone is being told to be watchful about things, but that these things never come to pass, that doesn't mean they are being watchful in vain, it just means they are being watchful just in case.

Unless there are no more disciples in any sense after that of the days Christ and His main disciples at the time lived during, and unless the body of Christ is not essentially one big family, this means what He says to one disciple can apply to other disciples, even to disciples not even born yet if what He indicated to be watchful about, that none of those things ever came to pass in their lifetimes. Meaning during the days of His main disciples at the time.

Obviously, some things can only apply to those living at the time, such as what eventually happened in 70 AD. That is a one time event that will never be repeated. Yet, some things can apply to both His disciples at the time and to future disciples.

But when Jesus is telling His disciples at the time, for example, to be watchful for His coming, but that His coming never happens in their lifetimes, obviously this means that disciples in the future need to be watchful as well, because the odds are that eventually He is going to come during someone's lifetime, but if no one is being watchful at the time, because some are assuming Jesus was only meaning anyone alive during His day and time, we then encounter a problem. These disciples are not doing what Jesus said to do, to be watchful of His coming. I'm assuming this would mainly only be meaning Preterists since they are mainly the ones who a lot of the time are interpreting much of what Jesus said, in a vacuum.

Meterologists are ignorant about when and where tornadows will touch down. However, even If they have a general Idea that people in Oklahoma are in danger of Tornados on a certain day but don't know exactly when or where they will touch down, they know enough NOT to warn folks in Oregon to "watch out" for them.

Are you suggesting Christ was unaware that His coming would not happen during the generation of the apostles, and that He believed it was fully possible it would, when He told them to “watch”?

This would make Christ completely ignorant of a long Church Age, Ignorant of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948, ignorant of Computer chip "marks", etc... which makes these Futurist doctrines impossible doctrines, not found anywhere in scripture.

Is that what you're going with?

 

[Rick Scott]

Just more false prophecy from another hyper futurist. In 6 months, if a fourth of the world’s population hasn’t died, then we can add this teacher, from “highlight ministries”, to the list of those who have made failed predictions. Interestingly enough, hyperfuturists have a 100% failure rate in predictions….

Deuteronomy 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him

We shall see if this person is wrong. The virus is really kicking up in China right now as well as the war in Russia. The signs of the times are everywhere.

 

[Rick Scott]

What becomes of the Christians who have lived and died before us who didn't watch? Do they lose their salvation because they didn't watch for an event that was ordained by God to never come to pass in their lifetimes?

Did I say they lose their salvation? No I just said that Christ commanded his disciples to watch and wait for his coming.

 

[parousia70]

Did I say they lose their salvation? No I just said that Christ commanded his disciples to watch and wait for his coming.

He told them to watch and wait for something He knew they'd never see?

We shall see if this person is wrong. The virus is really kicking up in China right now as well as the war in Russia. The signs of the times are everywhere.

What scripture teaches a Virus kicking up in China is a sign of anything?

 

[Rick Scott]

He told them to watch and wait for something He knew they'd never see?

What scripture teaches a Virus kicking up in China is a sign of anything?

Well the Pale Horse in Revelation does say that people die from plague.

 

[parousia70]

Well the Pale Horse in Revelation does say that people die from plague.

Ok....the 1918 Flu killed 50 million people and it was not an eschatological sign of anything. COVID death rate is at roughly 10-12% of that today.

So again, How could a minor virus, when compared to far greater past viral death rates that weren't a sign onf anything, be a "sign" of anything either?

 

[Rick Scott]

Ok....the 1918 Flu killed 50 million people and it was not an eschatological sign of anything. COVID death rate is at roughly 10-12% of that today.

So again, How could a minor virus, when compared to far greater past viral death rates that weren't a sign onf anything, be a "sign" of anything either?

There are new strains coming all the time. It's possible this virus could become something more deadly.

 

[parousia70]

There are new strains coming all the time. It's possible this virus could become something more deadly.

So you are saying it does not presently qualify as a sign but it might someday?

Interestingly, with the number of mutations, the one constant in them is that they are steadily becoming less deadly, which makes sense as the virus wants to survive, and will adapt to become less deadly to do so. Thats what Viruses do.

 

[Rick Scott]

So you are saying it does not presently qualify as a sign but it might someday?

Interestingly, with the number of mutations, the one constant in them is that they are steadily becoming less deadly, which makes sense as the virus wants to survive, and will adapt to become less deadly to do so. Thats what Viruses do.

Are you an expert in this field?

 

[Jipsah]

In your mind then, the only disciples that Christ has or ever will have are the ones that lived during the days He lived? Thus, there are no disciples anymore, in any sense.

OK, our Lord told thousands of years' worth of disciples to watch for something He knew they'd never see. Right?

 

[Jipsah]

Are you an expert in this field?

Common Sense 101. A disease, or any parasite, that kills off its hosts too quickly doesn't have time to infect new hosts. The longer it rides around in a host, the more people it can infect. The most "successful" diseases don't kill their hosts at all. Good old rhinovirus, the most successful virus around, is the prime example. Makes you miserable, but leaves you capable of spreading it to a lot of people before it runs its course. You don't have to be a virologist to figure that one out. Less virulent strains of a bug are always going to win the game in the end.