The order of fossils in the geological column (2)

[janxharris]

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[OldWiseGuy]

Originally posted by biggles53

You do realise that we are living through the LEAST violent and destructive period of human history, don't you....?

Then I guess we have nothing to worry about.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Then I guess we have nothing to worry about.

Nah, we have plenty, we always have disease, natural disasters, amounts of conflict...

 

[Queller]

Perfect example of how a bad translated word from Hebrew to English can change all the meaning. Explanation from above verse: *1was = Hebrew word # 1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass, to happen, to fall out. This word 'Was' is the English translation of a Hebrew word that means "Became". In other words, the earth was not created without form and void, but that it became that way at some point in time after it was created.

OK, you have some website that claims "became" is a better translation of hayah than "was". Seeing as how hayah also means "to be" and "to exist" WAS seems like a perfectly legitimate translation to use. Plus it has the advantage of actually fitting the narrative instead of trying to shoehorn in some other unscriptural second earth.

*2 without form = Hebrew word # 8414 tohuw; was translated from the Hebrew word that means: to lie waste, a desolation. You cannot lie waste or desolate something unless it was once in good condition, and then at some later time it was destroyed.

Strong's first definition of tohuw is "formlessness" or "nothingness". Fits perfectly with "was" as teh translation of hayah.

*3 void = Hebrew word # 922 bohuw; This word 'Void' is translated from a Hebrew word that means: an indistinguishable ruin. You cannot have a ruin unless there was at first something to ruin.

Bohuw comes from a root word meaning "empty". Again, fits perfectly in the narrative. I don't know where that site got the translation of "indistinguishable ruin".

*4 darkness = Hebrew word # 2822 choshek; As it is used here, darkness means: to become dark, to be darkened. You cannot darken something that was not lit in the first place.

The only reason your site claims that chosek means "to become dark" is to help their claim. In reality, it simply means "darkness".

*5 deep = Hebrew word # 8415 tehowm; An abyss (as a surging mass of water) especially the deep, uproar, or agitate greatly, put in commotion; to disturb, drive, destroy. **This corresponds with the description of the destruction of the first earth age by water in (2 Peter 3:5+6) which is not speaking of the flood of Naoh's time, Noah's Flood was in our present second earth age).

2 Peter 3:5-6 most certainly IS talking about the Flood of Noah. IF not, why is there no other mention of ANOTHER world destroyed by flood in the Bible.

*6." =There is a period at the end of this sentence. the following sentence marks the beginning of the rejuvenation of this earth age (The one we now live in), remember the time-gap in this Scripture. *7 Spirit of God = The Holy Spirit.

Nearly every verse in Genesis 1 ends with a period and all the verses but two begin with the word "and". There is no "rejuvenation" mentioned anywhere in Genesis 1.

Below, we will see what Almighty God says about the way he created the world, and we see that He did not create it void and without form, but that it became like that at a later time:

Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain*1, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (KJV)
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Explanation from above verse: *1 vain = There is something remarkable here that is lost to the English reader of the Bible. In the Hebrew Manuscripts that the above verse was translated out of, the word translated into the English: 'vain' is translated from the identical Hebrew word that we saw in (Gen 1:1) tohuw, which was translated: 'without form', it is the very same word in the manuscripts! Let's refresh our recollection of the Hebrew word tohuw which is the actual Hebrew word used in both (Gen 1:1 & Isa 45:18), and it tells in what condition that God did NOT create the world in.
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That word ALSO means "vanity" which, in the context of the verse means that God did not create the world to be uninhabited, God did not create the world "in vain".

Below we see a 'footprint in time.' The below footprint is impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. The rock that it is impressed into is conservatively dated at 10 million years old, the University of New Mexico dates the rock formation in which the footprint is indented into back to 50 million years ago.

You really expect us to believe that some picture, completely without context, shows a "angel" footprint in 10,000,000-year-old rock? Why on earth should we believe that based on nothing more than the site says so?

 

[Queller]

It means the whole earth was a chaotic wasteland, flooded with water. On the third day the 'dry ground' emerged from the waters.

I know what YOU think it means, I just don't believe that is what the BIBLE means.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I know what YOU think it means, I just don't believe that is what the BIBLE means.

The evidence of ancient cataclysms supports Gap theory. Also, the creation of man as the last physical creative event indicates that the earth was being prepared especially for man. Prior to this the earth would have been a very inhospitable place for us.

 

[Queller]

The evidence of ancient cataclysms supports Gap theory.

Said evidence also supports theories that don't need unevidenced miracles to support them.

Also, the creation of man as the last physical creative event indicates that the earth was being prepared especially for man. Prior to this the earth would have been a very inhospitable place for us.

Unfortunately there's no evidence to support the idea that the earth was inhospitable to humans at any time in the last several hundred million years.

 

[BL2KTN]

Unfortunately there's no evidence to support the idea that the earth was inhospitable to humans at any time in the last several hundred million years.

Ice ages, meteor strikes, Cambrian-era giant insects, predatory dinosaurs...

... today is a pretty good time to live in comparison.

 

[biggles53]

Nah, we have plenty, we always have disease, natural disasters, amounts of conflict...

Not so....at least in the case of conflict and violence...

We currently live in the most peaceful and non-violent era of human history...

There has been a steady decline in the incidence of war, murder, torture, etc, over the centuries, particularly in the period following the Enlightenment, but there was a trend present even before this...

Doesn't sit well with doomsdayer's prophecies, does it...?

 

[Riberra]

OK, you have some website that claims "became" is a better translation of hayah than "was". Seeing as how hayah also means "to be" and "to exist" WAS seems like a perfectly legitimate translation to use. Plus it has the advantage of actually fitting the narrative instead of trying to shoehorn in some other unscriptural second earth.

Same Earth three (3) different ages.The age we live in now is the second earth age.The next age of the Earth is called the 3 rd Heaven when God will establish his Kingdom on Earth
As mentioned in
Revelation 21
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...21&version=KJV

Strong's first definition of tohuw is "formlessness" or "nothingness". Fits perfectly with "was" as teh translation of hayah.

Bohuw comes from a root word meaning "empty". Again, fits perfectly in the narrative. I don't know where that site got the translation of "indistinguishable ruin".

The only reason your site claims that chosek means "to become dark" is to help their claim. In reality, it simply means "darkness".
2 Peter 3:5-6 most certainly IS talking about the Flood of Noah. IF not, why is there no other mention of ANOTHER world destroyed by flood in the Bible.

Genesis 1:2-9-10 talk about the land (Earth) being totally submerged by water
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
......
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The tree earth ages as mentioned in the scriptures.

2 Pet 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:​

[This is the 1st earth age, NOT the flood of Noah's time! See (Jer 4:23-27) which speaks of this same event:" I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled." (Jer 4:25) ]​

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[This is the 2nd earth age]
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (KJV)
[This is the 3rd earth age, commonly called Heaven]
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Nearly every verse in Genesis 1 ends with a period and all the verses but two begin with the word "and". There is no "rejuvenation" mentioned anywhere in Genesis 1.

The "rejuvenation" process start in the second part of verse 2
2- ......
"And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

3-And God said,Let there be....

That word ALSO means "vanity" which, in the context of the verse means that God did not create the world to be uninhabited, God did not create the world "in vain".

You really expect us to believe that some picture, completely without context, shows a "angel" footprint in 10,000,000-year-old rock? Why on earth should we believe that based on nothing more than the site says so?

That does not look like Lucy's footprint impressed into solid stone in New Mexico U.S.A. .Maybe someone going back in time in a time machine.
Source:
http://www.biblestudysite.com/1stage.htm

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not so....at least in the case of conflict and violence...

We currently live in the most peaceful and non-violent era of human history...

There has been a steady decline in the incidence of war, murder, torture, etc, over the centuries, particularly in the period following the Enlightenment, but there was a trend present even before this...

Doesn't sit well with doomsdayer's prophecies, does it...?

If this is true (and I question it) it's just the 'lull before the storm'. WW2, and all the conflicts since, is still part of this historical era.

 

[BL2KTN]

If this is true (and I question it) it's just the 'lull before the storm'. WW2, and all the conflicts since, is still part of this historical era.

Let's enjoy the lull then shall we?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Let's enjoy the lull then shall we?

Sure, as long as we remain vigilant (not totally dismantle our military).

 

[BL2KTN]

I think that contributes to the lull, so huzzah for a strong defense.

 

[justlookinla]

Originally posted by biggles53

You do realise that we are living through the LEAST violent and destructive period of human history, don't you....?

Actually we're not. Do you realize that over 40 million infants were killed last year and more will probably be killed this year than last year?

We are currently living in the most violent and destructive period in human history.

 

[BL2KTN]

Actually we're not. Do you realize that over 40 million infants were killed last year and more will probably be killed this year than last year?

In antiquity, most children didn't live to see adulthood, so even if you say 40 million infants are killed, we're still doing better =)

 

[justlookinla]

In antiquity, most children didn't live to see adulthood, so even if you say 40 million infants are killed, we're still doing better =)

"Better" is a relative term. No matter though, we're in the most violent and destructive period in human history because of those 40 million deaths. You may be of the opinion that killing millions of infants is 'better', but it's still a violent and destructive practice.

 

[lasthero]

Do you realize that over 40 million infants were killed last year and more will probably be killed this year than last year?

Where is this number coming from?

 

[Dizredux]

Actually we're not. Do you realize that over 40 million infants were killed last year and more will probably be killed this year than last year?

We are currently living in the most violent and destructive period in human history.

Do you mean worldwide or where.

If you mean worldwide, then the figures are fairly accurate but you also might consider that throughout the world, abortion has been fairly common for a very long time. The earliest mention that seems to be in the Code of Hammurabi which had penalties for abortion but in many cultures it appears to have been and currently is an accepted thing.

Probably one of the causes of the increase worldwide is the increased safety of the procedure.

I am not taking sides on this but just like to keep the record straight.

Dizredux


Dizredux

 

[justlookinla]

Where is this number coming from?

Based on World Health Organization numbers.