The office of the priest

[Standing Up]

Here's Vines:

Appoint, Appointed:
"to put," is used of "appointment" to any form of service. Christ used it of His followers, Jhn 15:16 (RV, "appointed" for AV, "ordained"). "I set you" would be more in keeping with the metaphor of grafting. The verb is used by Paul of his service in the ministry of the Gospel, 1Ti 1:12 (RV, "appointing" for "putting"); 1Ti 2:7 (RV, "appointed" for "ordained"); and 2Ti 1:11 (RV, "appointing" for "putting"); of the overseers, or bishops, in the local church at Ephesus, as those "appointed" by the Holy Ghost, to tend the church of God, Act 20:28 ("hath made"); of the Son of God, as appointed Heir of all things, Hbr 1:2. It is also used of "appointment" to punishment, as of the unfaithful servant, Mat 24:51; Luk 12:46; of unbelieving Israel, 1Pe 2:8. Cp. 2Pe 2:6.

 

[Rebekah30]

For the purposes of this thread I suggest:

ordained = "set aside by the laying on of hands"

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Why Websters when we can use the Scriptural defintion?

 

[sunlover1]

Why don't we looked at the word ordained in this tranlation better. I see it used in the KJV, most others use appointed. They weren't ordained as Orthodox priests here. In fact this verse is what Calvinist bring up.

τίθημι
tithēmi
tith'-ay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word θέω theō (which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate): - + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down.

I actually come up with a couple/few words that were translated ordain:

In 1 Tim:
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth
in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 8 I will
therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath
and doubting.

• Strong's Greek #5087
  
  5087τίθημι [tithemi /tith·ay·mee/] v. A prolonged form of a primary theo (theh·o, which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); TDNT 8:152; TDNTA 1176; GK 5502; 96 occurrences; AV translates as “lay” 28 times, “put” 18 times, “lay down” 12 times, “make” 10 times, “appoint” six times, “kneel down + 1119 + 3588” five times, and translated miscellaneously 17 times. 1 to set, put, place. 1a to place or lay. 1b to put down, lay down. 1b1 to bend down. 1b2 to lay off or aside, to wear or carry no longer. 1b3 to lay by, lay aside money. 1c to set on (serve) something to eat or drink. 1d to set forth, something to be explained by discourse. 2 to make. 2a to make (or set) for one’s self or for one’s use. 3 to set, fix establish. 3a to set forth. 3b to establish, ordain.​
  
  Strong, J. 1996. The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the test of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.). Woodside Bible Fellowship.: Ontario
  
• Tense/Voice/Mood #5681

In Hebrews:
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things
pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:


Strong's Greek #2525

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  2525καθιστάνω, καθίστημι [kathistemi /kath·is·tay·mee/] v. From 2596 and 2476; TDNT 3:444; TDNTA 387; GK 2769 and 2770; 22 occurrences; AV translates as “make” eight times, “make ruler” six times, “ordain” three times, “be” twice, “appoint” once, “conduct” once, and “set” once. 1 to set, place, put. 1a to set one over a thing (in charge of it). 1b to appoint one to administer an office. 1c to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be. 1d to constitute, to render, make, cause to be. 1e to conduct or bring to a certain place. 1f to show or exhibit one’s self. 1f1 come forward as.​
  
  Strong, J. 1996. The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the test of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.). Woodside Bible Fellowship.: Ontario
  
• Tense/Voice/Mood #5743

Acts 14:
And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed
with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.




Strong's Greek #5500

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  5500χειροτονέω [cheirotoneo /khi·rot·on·eh·o/] v. From a comparative of 5495 and teino (to stretch); TDNT 9:437; TDNTA 1309; GK 5936; Four occurrences; AV translates as “ordain” three times, and “choose” once. 1 to vote by stretching out the hand. 2 to create or appoint by vote: one to have charge of some office or duty. 3 to elect, create, appoint.​
  
  
  
• Tense/Voice/Mood #5660

Those are a few, I believe that there are more too.

 

[Standing Up]

Mar 3:14And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

Jhn 15:16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


Are we truely going to argue that The Church was not given the authority to ordain?

No.

1Cr 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Tts 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Or are we going to argue that every man is ordained an elder by virtue of being a Christian? Surely not every Christian is an elder?

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No, the model is born-again, baby, wean, elder.

I'd agree, surely not every Christian is an elder.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I do know you and others say it is not a re-sacrifice, but we are strongly told there is one sacrifice and it was done for good. The letter to the Hebrews stresses it


Heb 10:11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins he sat down at the right hand of God,

13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,"
17 then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Yep Yep... done once and for all.

anamnesis.

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[Rebekah30]

Yep Yep... done once and for all.

anamnesis.

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You make that word into something more than it really means.
It still means to remember, to recollect of something past.
To bring into rememberence in the present not by it actually being here but the memory is.
The memory is present tense.

 

[Standing Up]

If I could sum up a bit at this point, there's two priesthoods in Scripture for this thread's purposes (Moses' father in law was a priest of ?), the Levitical and the Melchizedek.

Israel was to be a nation of priests, but instead, they refused to hear God, so He "pulled out" the Levites to be the priests and the rest were called the children of Israel.

NT is to be a nation of priests. What does this mean? Are we "doing that"? Which priesthood? Melchizedek (not by lineage, but by faith in Christ Jesus. Who's the intermediary? Jesus Christ. Do we refuse to hear God? The just live by faith, walking in love. Why elders and not priests per se? What are their functions? How is one ordained?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

You make that word into something more than it really means.
It still means to remember, to recollect of something past.
To bring into rememberence in the present not by it actually being here but the memory is.
The memory is present tense.

Better go look that one up again. It is exactly to bring something present from the past into the present.

I am giving you the answer "The Church of Antioch" gives me. I am not guessing and I am not reading on my own.

The Church knows her own books and know what they mean.

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[Rebekah30]

Better go look that one up again. It is exactly to bring something present from the past into the present.

I am giving you the answer "The Church of Antioch" gives me. I am not guessing and I am not reading on my own.

The Church knows her own books and know what they mean.

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I don't not questioning where or why you have that response, I am going by the Greek though.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I don't not questioning where or why you have that response, I am going by the Greek though.

Yeah, me too...

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[Giver]

Just my personal opinion, but I believe the church wanted to make what certain men taught seem to come from someone greater then the average person. Because of the connotation of the words priest, and father these two words replaced elder. Maybe this would not be wrong if Jesus hadn’t told us not to raise someone up above another. Jesus told us we were all equal.

 

[Thekla]

Just my personal opinion, but I believe the church wanted to make what certain men taught seem to come from someone greater then the average person. Because of the connotation of the words priest, and father these two words replaced elder. Maybe this would not be wrong if Jesus hadn’t told us not to raise someone up above another. Jesus told us we were all equal.

We are "equal", but have different "jobs".

 

[Polycarp1]

We are "equal", but have different "jobs".

"There are a variety of gifts, but the same Spirit." The whole package of I Corinthians 12-13 has a lot to say about the theology of ecclesial structure.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

"orthodox Christians" on this thread: Do you agree that The Church teaches that both the office of "Priest" and "The Priesthood of all believers" are true Christian teachings?

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[Thekla]

"orthodox Christians" on this thread: Do you agree that The Church teaches that both the office of Priest and The Priesthood of all believers are true?

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yes

Note also, that the general understanding of the "action" denoted by the term priest (offering all given by God to God in thanksgiving) is the "being/doing" of a Christian.

 

[Giver]

We are "equal", but have different "jobs".

Well! Priest and father; does not described an elders job.

 

[Giver]

"There are a variety of gifts, but the same Spirit." The whole package of I Corinthians 12-13 has a lot to say about the theology of ecclesial structure.

It makes me want to cry to see just how uncaringly the church has disregarded the Word of God. (Matthew 23:8-9) “You, however must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers. You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.”

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Call no man Father: Call No Man Father? | Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese

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[Thekla]

Well! Priest and father; does not described an elders job.

The term for "father" in Greek also means origin/originator. God the Father is the origin/originator of creation and revelation.The elder/father (Paul refers to himself in this role) is to offer and also to keep. It is the role or job of the elder/father to offer the spiritual child up to Him, and also to keep the revelation from God as given and thus guide the children. As an example, the letters to Timothy exhibit this.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Paraphrasing Christ: Do not confuse any man with the creator.

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