The North American Union?

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Well, the last thing I heard was that a document called the House Concurrent Resolution 487 - is against this merger. So, I guess people are finding out about this more and more in spite of the national media not letting us know and politicians denying it. Yes, I wrote the politican for my area and they said "it didn't go before Congress and that unelected bureacrats blah blah. Unbelieveable response I got.

Since the large corporations own the national media they are not talking about this issue. Only CNN and Worldnetdaily have discussed this some.

Go to: http://www.kbrt740.com/Article.asp?id=195611

They do not care if the the illegal aliens are crossing the border.

An article at http://www.cfr.org/publication/8173/north_american_community_approach_to_security.html which is at the Council of Foreign Relations website - describes their vision for a North American Community.

****If you think this union is a BAD idea then visit the House Concurrent Resolution 487 information:
http://www.capwiz.com/jbs/issues/alert/?alertid=9072401 and/or http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc109/hc487_ih.xml


If Mexicans pay their taxes and become U.S. citizens as a requirement and/or the american citizens can go to Mexico as easily as going into their country- then thus union isn't a problem. But the REALITY is- you can't go to Mexico that easy american citizen. This government is ran by the drug cartel and is therefore extremely corrupt.

Another interesting site: www.spp.gov. It sounds great on the surface. But when people ask about why the three leaders are meeting its denial or real hush hush. Even the so called "conservatives on t.v." deny it. What is silly, is that they just sprout out a bunch of emotion and don't even look at the facts! Their emotion doesn't change reality.
If its gravy, why is it a big secret and not explained?

+++++++ 11 States Against This - Listed Here:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54613

*******Also, will this change the U.S. Constitution? Will religious freedoms be taken away? They won't if the american people keep their eyes open. Lets look at the European Union- in a certain part of germany parents got their kid taken away because they were unaware of the law or interpretation of the law concerning homeschooling. The parents tried to get it appealed but the appropriate authorities said "we respect the other countries decision". So, lets not buy german products like cars anymore until they straighten this out! Yes, if it affects their pocketbook it will help much!
Article on this: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54135



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Just so you know, if there is indeed a plan to create a North American Union similar to the EU, that is not the creation of one nation. The European Union is definitely not one nation. The plans are clearly not for a 'merger' but for the creation of a common market on confederation of sorts. The nations of Europe have maintained their sovreignty and are still very much distinguishable nations. Furthermore, in contrast to the slanderous and poorly researched (well, clearly totally unresearched) article, there is no European Constitution.

And it seems to me that this is in fact a great response to illegal immigration. Rather than, as many clearly want, turning hardworking people away to a live of stark poverty, all the while enjoying their own undeservedly opulent lives, it is the perfect solution. In order to get rid of the illegal immigrants, make them legal. :) :thumbsup:

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"all the while enjoying their own undeservedly opulent lives"

WHAT?????!!!!!

The USA is what it is because a lot of sacrafice and hard work from Americans. Do NOT make the people of this country out to be bad because of their success. Your response is typical socialism smack. When you get out of high school (I see you're only 17), and get a job and work your tail off, you'll look at your bank account as a result of your hard work.

My point is certainly not that people in America do not work hard for their money. I do not believe that at all, and I apologise if that is how it came across. My point is that it is entirely wrong to think that equally hard working people do not deserve just as much solely because they come from a different country, and that being a citizen of any nation does not entitle one to anything more in terms of fundamental human rights than any other person from anywhere else.

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Robbie--

Ha, no its not slander or poorly researched. This guy that created the article has researched our government for 20 years and is well aware of what is going on with it. He definitely does his homework and does hardworking research for hours. That is the only reason why I listen to him and his allies. Another person that is discussing this is Phylis Schafly which is a lawyer. She understands politics and the judical system.

It doesn't matter who believes it or not - but globalization is going to happen and is -no matter what we think. I didn't say "everyone" in the european union is having a great horror. But Germany said that the constitution was changed so they knocked on the doors of people who were homeschooling and took their kids away from them. They didn't want christians homeschooling their kids but forced them into their schools filled with secular humanism. They lost their religious freedoms in Germany because the parents didn't face reality and pay any attention to the politics.

Did you read the article? If not, I'm not interested in discussing this further. Its happening in politics and is a reality. I'm not an alarmest and don't have time for such things.
 
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Robbie--

Ha, no its not slander or poorly researched. This guy that created the article has researched our government for 20 years and is well aware of what is going on with it. He definitely does his homework and does hardworking research for hours. That is the only reason why I listen to him and his allies. Another person that is discussing this is Phylis Schafly which is a lawyer. She understands politics and the judical system.

It doesn't matter who believes it or not - but globalization is going to happen and is -no matter what we think. I didn't say "everyone" in the european union is having a great horror. But Germany said that the constitution was changed so they knocked on the doors of people who were homeschooling and took their kids away from them. They didn't want christians homeschooling their kids but forced them into their schools filled with secular humanism. They lost their religious freedoms in Germany because the parents didn't face reality and pay any attention to the politics.

Did you read the article? If not, I'm not interested in discussing this further. Its happening in politics and is a reality. I'm not an alarmest and don't have time for such things.

I did read the article. The article said that there was a European Constitution. There is not. So, whilst the author may have done good research of the American government, his understanding of Europe is obviously not as good.

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My point is certainly not that people in America do not work hard for their money. I do not believe that at all, and I apologise if that is how it came across. My point is that it is entirely wrong to think that equally hard working people do not deserve just as much solely because they come from a different country, and that being a citizen of any nation does not entitle one to anything more in terms of fundamental human rights than any other person from anywhere else.

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Apology accepted.

I understand your love for all people and wanting them to have the best things in life. I understand that, but there is no utopia.

The US has laws. You must understand that. It's the foundation of this entire illegal immigration mess. People are not respecting the laws of this country.

I'm sorry that Mexico has a corrupt government, but the US should not have to pay for that by allowing illegals to violate our laws. It's a simple as that. Robin Hood broke the laws for the sake of helping the poor. He was still breaking the law though. What if I did the Robin Hood thing in 2007 in my town - do you think I'd pay for breaking the law once I got caught? What if I broke into some homes in one of the gated communities here, stole some jewels, sold them at the pawn shop and gave the money to the poor in town? Would that be ok? Of course not! It's the SAME concept = breaking the law.
 
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Sorry Robb-- I misunderstood.

I have no problems personally if Mexicans want to come in. I would run across the border to if my government was ran by drug cartels but the corporations will take advantage of this and hurt other americans. The only way it won't make any difference is to have things cost less in america. And that is a pipe dream to think that costs will get lowered.
 
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What if I did the Robin Hood thing in 2007 in my town - do you think I'd pay for breaking the law once I got caught? What if I broke into some homes in one of the gated communities here, stole some jewels, sold them at the pawn shop and gave the money to the poor in town? Would that be ok? Of course not! It's the SAME concept = breaking the law.

Well, I would say yes, it may well be OK and would then hope that you don't get caught. :sorry: But then Robin Hood is a personal hero of mine. :)

I do see your point however, which is why I think any such move as this to make it possible for more immigrants to legally find a better life is good.

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I don't care if Mexicans come in IF its legal. If they pay their U.S. taxes and earn U.S. citizenship I don't care. What bothers me at all - is the corporations taking advantage of them for cheap labor. This will hurt the american worker. I'm concerned about the american worker.
 
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I understand and agree. Not too long ago there was a bust at a meat packing plant - thousands of illegals busted and deported. The next day, the line of Americans there to fill the positions wrapped around the building. I believe the photos were on Neal Boortz site. I didn't hear much about this in the general media though.
 
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Robbie--

Ha, no its not slander or poorly researched. This guy that created the article has researched our government for 20 years and is well aware of what is going on with it. He definitely does his homework and does hardworking research for hours. That is the only reason why I listen to him and his allies. Another person that is discussing this is Phylis Schafly which is a lawyer. She understands politics and the judical system.

It doesn't matter who believes it or not - but globalization is going to happen and is -no matter what we think. I didn't say "everyone" in the european union is having a great horror. But Germany said that the constitution was changed so they knocked on the doors of people who were homeschooling and took their kids away from them. They didn't want christians homeschooling their kids but forced them into their schools filled with secular humanism. They lost their religious freedoms in Germany because the parents didn't face reality and pay any attention to the politics.

Did you read the article? If not, I'm not interested in discussing this further. Its happening in politics and is a reality. I'm not an alarmest and don't have time for such things.
And we should believe you...why?
 
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Well, Robbie--

What happen in Germany? This really happened. Can you explain this? How did this happen??

Well, from what I can gather from other articles found through Google, this could not have had less to do with the EU:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1330

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/139

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53457

All three articles point out that homeschooling was made illegal in Germany by Hitler in 1938, and has remained so. The last points out that the European courts have decided that this law does not contravene the European Convention on Human Rights. That, as far as I can tell, is the extent of the EU's involvement.

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I did read the article. The article said that there was a European Constitution. There is not. So, whilst the author may have done good research of the American government, his understanding of Europe is obviously not as good.

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Who told you there is no European Constitution? Take a look at the following link.

http://www.unizar.es/euroconstitucion/library/constitution_29.10.04/part_I_EN.pdf

Here is the Preamble and Article 1-1 from the European Constitution. The capitals were in the source.

PREAMBLE
HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CZECH REPUBLIC, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF DENMARK, THE PRESIDENT OF
THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF
ESTONIA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HELLENIC REPUBLIC, HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF
SPAIN, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC, THE PRESIDENT OF IRELAND,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC, THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF
CYPRUS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF LATVIA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
REPUBLIC OF LITHUANIA, HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUKE OF
LUXEMBOURG, THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF HUNGARY, THE PRESIDENT
OF MALTA, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS, THE FEDERAL
PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF AUSTRIA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF
POLAND, THE PRESIDENT OF THE PORTUGUESE REPUBLIC, THE PRESIDENT OF
THE REPUBLIC OF SLOVENIA, THE PRESIDENT OF THE SLOVAK REPUBLIC,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF FINLAND, THE GOVERNMENT OF THE
KINGDOM OF SWEDEN, HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF
GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND,




WHO, having exchanged their full powers, found in good and due form, have agreed as follows:
PART I
TITLE I
DEFINITION AND OBJECTIVES OF THE UNION
ARTICLE I-1
Establishment of the Union
1. Reflecting the will of the citizens and States of Europe to build a common future, this
Constitution establishes the European Union, on which the Member States confer competences to
attain objectives they have in common. The Union shall coordinate the policies by which the
Member States aim to achieve these objectives, and shall exercise on a Community basis the
competences they confer on it.
2. The Union shall be open to all European States which respect its values and are committed to
promoting them together.
 
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