Hee hee hee. Also, never say never. You keep implying you have nothing more to say but you know ya can't resist these endtimes rants!!!!
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Originally posted by Shane Roach
Thunder? I luv ya Bro, but you're using a different version than he was quoting, and the word "until" in your version fulfills the place of the implication he was giving as far as there being a time when the law will pass away.
Lil misunderstanding.
Shane said: "No. He is talking about any salvation that would come through works"
Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
He is still wrong no matter how you look at it. But here is another way, just for good measure.
Look a little closer my friend, and you will see that He didn't say that the law would pass away, but the jot and tittles (of the law). The defense rests, AMEN
Originally posted by 1Mamifestation70a.d
Shane
Perhaps you assume too much. Also, since the book of the Revelation is after all a divine revelation, one would expect to perhaps learn a few new things there. Thanks though for you're concern. We should all try to help one another for sure.
If I assume the reign of Christ on the earth is not in the Bible why don't you show me the verses to back up your views Please feel free to show us were it says "Christ will reign on earth a 1.000 years.?
Originally posted by GW
What? Hi Shane.
For you to claim that Matt 5:17-19 is not talking about the Law of Moses is curious indeed.
Originally posted by GW
Perhaps I should re-ask the question this way:
What Law did Christ's original hearers think he was referring to when he mentioned the law and the prophets (5:17) along with its jots and tittles (5:18) and its commands that must be kept even to the least of them (5:19)?
Is this not the Law of Moses?
Originally posted by GW
Shane,
I look forward to your reply to my last question to you on Matt 5:17-19. I trust you'll eventually agree that the verses are speaking of the Law of Moses with its commands and jots and tittles and keeping the commands contained therein.
Also, there is no literal 1000 year period.
Originally posted by GW
(1) There is only one resurrection (Dan 12:2; Jn 5:29) and it is at the second coming (1 Cor 15:23; Jn 11:24).
Originally posted by GW
(2) There is only one judgment and it is at the second coming (1 Tim 4:1).
Originally posted by GW
((3) The Day of the Lord as a thief in the night is the second coming according to Paul in 1 Thess 5:2-4. The same Day of the Lord as a Thief in the Night is the passing away of heavens/earth according to Peter (2 Peter 3:10).
Originally posted by GW
Where'd the 1000 years go?
Originally posted by GW
P.S. -- Jesus told the Sardis Church he was about to come upon them as a thief in the the Night in the 60s AD (Rev 3:2-3), a clear reference to a first century fulfillment of the Day of the Lord (as also stated in Rev 1:1, 1:3, 22:6-7; 22:10-11 and Matt 24:33-34).
Shane said: In the reference you use to 2 Peter one might assume they travel from the time Christ reveals Himself to the point at which He melts away the old and brings about the new, a period refered to as one day, albeit after he refers to a day as a thousand years, apparently as a help for precisely this kind of confusion.
Originally posted by Shane Roach
Not at all curious. He is talking about righteousness and its nature, and using the well known law of Moses as an example. Once again, this becomes very very plain if you back away from just the one little verse that you are trying to isolate out of context for no reason at all that I can yet identify.
If you would leave off trying to isolate this one little verse I would not have to choose my words so carefully and perhaps they would seem less curious to you. I wonder if you understand how curious it is to me that you seem to feel that truth in a matter can be best found by reading something entirely out of its context?
Originally posted by GW
There are not two resurrections in Revelation 20, or anywhere in scripture for that matter.
Originally posted by Shane Roach
I have already pointed this out to you. There is a timeline explicit in Rev 20.
Originally posted by parousia70
I'm sorry, but the notion that we must use a strict, literal interpratation of the 1000 year "time frame" sure sounds strange coming from someone who chooses to stretch and elasticize "shortly, soon, coming quickly, about to be, at hand, etc, etc," into 2000+years.
If 1000 years is as a day to God, and a Day is as 1000 years, and this is a correct mathmatical formula for interprating prophetic time, the the Millennium can last only one earth day and satisfy 1000 years to God.
2Peter 3:8 is a 2 way street!!
Originally posted by Shane Roach
Out of curiosity, what is the significance of believing we are past the second coming? What does this suggest to us that we ought to do any different than if we are waiting still for His coming?
Originally posted by parousia70
I'm sorry, but the notion that we must use a strict, literal interpratation of the 1000 year "time frame" sure sounds strange coming from someone who chooses to stretch and elasticize "shortly, soon, coming quickly, about to be, at hand, etc, etc," into 2000+years.
If 1000 years is as a day to God, and a Day is as 1000 years, and this is a correct mathmatical formula for interprating prophetic time, the the Millennium can last only one earth day and satisfy 1000 years to God.
2Peter 3:8 is a 2 way street!!
Christians do not know future events, but we must be fully confident in the fact that whatever the conquering Savior pleases to do, He does, on earth as in heaven (Ps. 135:6). And when we consider the divine eternality of the Church on earth and her progressive divine dominion, we know that her future, and hence the future of humanity, will be filled to overflowing with innumerable blessings which are even now utterly impossible for us to grasp. For what wonders will God work in and through His more-than-conquering Church after 10,000 years of ecclesiastical progress, or after 1,000,000 years of victory? Only God can know (Eccl. 3:11). What we do know is that in Christ Jesus our Creator and our Redeemer, the future of mankind on earth under His dominion will surely be
"exceeding abundantly" and incomprehensibly wonderful....