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The NATURE of the resurrection, second coming, Heavens & Earth passing, etc.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by parousia70, Mar 17, 2002.

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  1. Nick_Loves_Abba

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    So your saying, sense Christ is supernaturaly in our hearts, there is no need to see him again face to face?
     
  2. rollinTHUNDER

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    You go ahead and laugh, the joke is on you. China can field this army right now, all by themselves. You are confusing this prophecy With Ezekiel 38, which is another book in your own bible that you have no answer for. Are you still laughing??? I may not be a great teacher, but I'm poking huge holes in your unbelief.
     
  3. GW

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    His body is on the earth. He is not absent. Jesus is present and in His Body. And Jesus himself said it was better for the Church to have the Holy Spirit then for the Church to have the incarnational Jesus (John 16:7). This way Jesus is in nearly a billion people worldwide!
     
  4. Nick_Loves_Abba

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    Who sits on the Throne in new Jerusalem then? (I might be wrong but I think it says Jesus does, or someone, who else besides Jesus?)
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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    Can anyone answer this?? Still waiting.
     
  6. Where did I ever say there is no need to see Christ again face to face? Don't play word games with me. I said it as Jesus said "this literal world will see him no more." We as Christians see Christ now face to face just as Jesus said. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; (but you see me)because I live, you shall live also. (John 14:19) Seeing Jesus is not always done with the literal eye.
     
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  8. Nick_Loves_Abba

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    2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Possibly this?
     

  9. You got it :)
     
  10. rollinTHUNDER

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  11. I see you still don't get it. There is no mention of the "earth" here. The Bible tells us not to add to the word of God so you have just impeached yourself with that non-sense again. Why do futurist haft to add their ideas to the word of God to try to make a point? Why can they "ever" just say (word for word) what the verse says?
     
  12. Nick_Loves_Abba

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    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
    Rev 20:8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

    Well if you look at Rev 20:8 it mentions Magog/Gog which is a place on the Earth.
     

  13. Have you ever really read all the Bible? Common sense and reading the Bible would tell you our reign with Christ can only be where our "citizenship is and were we are seated, and were we are gethered," (Ephesians 2:4-9; Galatians 4:26; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 10:19;12:22-24)

    Notice Preterists don't haft to add to the word of God to make a point. Our reign with Christ is were our citizenship is. :)
     
  14. Hi Nick You seem to be the only one who know how to read the Bible and say what the verse really says. Magog/God are the only ones mentioned on the earth.
     
  15. davo

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    Hey rollin', I love those last two words of yours -"Still waiting". This is "Futurists" eschatology to a "T", like Judaism, having NOT recognised the Messiah's Coming so "still waiting."


    How about this rollin' -how will you ignore 'audience relevance'.

    1Cor 1:7-9 (NKJV) 7so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,[for what reason were THEY waiting -obviously His Revelation, just as Jesus had prophesied (Matt 23:36; 24:34) that THEIR GENERATION would see His Revelation] 8who will also confirm you to the end, [the end of what? -The Days Of Vengeance when ALL that was written was fulfilled Lk 21:22] that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. ["the day of our Lord Jesus Christ" equals His 2nd Coming] 9God is faithful, by whom you were called [who? doh, the Corinthians of course] into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. [brackets mine]

    So anyway rollin' just to settle my confusion, which scriptures do you use to say "the Russians are coming down from the north" -or aren't you old enough to say that one anymore ;)

    davo
     
  16. rollinTHUNDER

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    How long should I put up with ignorance?? I am not writing another book. You need everything spelled out for you, unless it's something you believe, and then it's okay to twist it to mean what you say. If I tell you to breathe, do you have to ask "air ?" You might want to try sticking your head under water first. And then you will have a good point.
     
  17. rollinTHUNDER

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    I am so glad that you pulled all these scriptures up as your proof. Not one of them talks about the 1000 reign of Christ, or a reign at all. But I do like the fact that Phil.3:20 says, "And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,". You might want to take your head out of the water now, so you can breathe air.

    Notice also in verse 21, that it says Christ will transform our bodies. It does not say that He already did.
     

  18. How long should I put up with your ignorance of adding to the Bible thing it does not say. You believe it's is okay to twist and add to a scripture to make to say what you believe. You might try stop believing the traditionans of men and start believing the Bible. There is no or ever will be a mention in Rev. 20 "of christ ever reigning on the earth." :scratch:
     
  19. (1)I am not even going to go into the meaning of how Christ has transformed the old coverant body with you. Because I already know that two will go over your head. You are already adding to the word God somthing it does not say before we ever begin. (Paul never mentioned) the word "bodies Plural" he used the word "body Singular." Which is anothing meaning "all togather". :scratch:
    You have been adding to the word of God so long you don't ever know when you are doing it.

    (2)I never said the verses that I pointed out MENTIONED A 1.000 reign of Christ, Unlike you I don't need to add to scripture.

    I said these verses I point to biblicaly "show WHERE" we will reign with Christ. In "heaven not on the earth" I NEVER MENTIONED A 1.000 YEAR TIME. (Ephesians 2:4-9; Galatians 4:26; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 10:19;12:22-24). You might want to take your head out of those books by the traditions of men and put it in the Bible, so you can see, what the Bible has to say about were we will be. After Israel moved from the literal land promised to them into the spiritual land that was promised in Christ. John never looked for or mentioned Christ literaly reigning on the earth. :scratch:
     
  20. rollinTHUNDER

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    Oh - this is real good. Now land is spiritual. How does the land get saved, this is totally new to me?? So when it rains, does that mean it is getting baptized??
     
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