The Nano Robots and Machines Inside You,

[Speedwell]

Coded information.
As I said, SETI would readily acknowledge coded information as being from a mind.

Not just coded information--a coded message.

 

[KCfromNC]

Coded information.
As I said, SETI would readily acknowledge coded information as being from a mind.

I don't believe you. Which SETI researchers think DNA is evidence for intelligent design?

 

[Radrook]

Not just coded information--a coded message.

Are you saying that DNA doesn't contain a message that is decoded by RNA?
Claiming that it just involves chemicals doesn't explain the evidence of information and doesn't identify the information's SOURCE.

 

[Speedwell]

Are you saying that DNA doesn't contain a message that is decoded by RNA?
Claiming that it just involves chemicals doesn't explain the evidence of information and doesn't identify the information's SOURCE.

Yes, that is what I am saying. DNA contains information which is coded for proteins, but there is no message. At least, not one that anybody knows about. Perhaps you can decode it for us and tell us what it says.

 

[Radrook]

Yes, that is what I am saying. DNA contains information which is coded for proteins, but there is no message. At least, not one that anybody knows about. Perhaps you can decode it for us and tell us what it says.

I don't need to decode it because RNA decodes it clearly reveals by the way it reacts that it contains instructions to create such things as the human brain, the most complex computer in existence. Whereon you will say that it is just chemical reactions to which I will reply-Balderdash!

 

[Speedwell]

I don't need to decode it because RNA decodes it clearly reveals by the way it reacts that it contains instructions to create such things as the human brain, the most complex computer in existence. Whereon you will say that it is just chemical reactions to which I will reply-Balderdash!

It's both. You really need to give God more credit and stop looking for His greasy fingerprints on the machinery.

 

[Loudmouth]

Coded information.
As I said, SETI would readily acknowledge coded information as being from a mind.

SETI would acknowledge coded information in a radio broadcast as being from a mind.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't need to decode it because RNA decodes it clearly reveals by the way it reacts that it contains instructions to create such things as the human brain, the most complex computer in existence. Whereon you will say that it is just chemical reactions to which I will reply-Balderdash!

Could you be more specific? How does the reaction between DNA, RNA, and proteins clearly reveal the instructions put there by an intelligence?

You keep making these assertions, but offer no evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you saying that DNA doesn't contain a message that is decoded by RNA?

You claim that it does contain a message, so show us what that message is. Please stop asking us to provide evidence for your claims.

Claiming that it just involves chemicals doesn't explain the evidence of information and doesn't identify the information's SOURCE.

Where is the evidence for an intelligent source?

 

[Radrook]

You claim that it does contain a message, so show us what that message is. Please stop asking us to provide evidence for your claims.



Where is the evidence for an intelligent source?

So according to you the RNA is responding to nothing at all when it reads the DNA? That's ridiculous! If it were not responding to anything at all you wouldn't be here using that brain which was formed because RNA was able to follow the DNA instructions.

 

[Loudmouth]

So according to you the RNA is responding to nothing at all when it reads the DNA? That's ridiculous!

I am asking you how RNA reads DNA. Or are you just making the claim that RNA reads DNA without any evidence or understanding?

 

[Radrook]

I am asking you how RNA reads DNA. Or are you just making the claim that RNA reads DNA without any evidence or understanding?

Are you saying that I am imagining that RNA is a conscious entity that actually has a brain and eyes and literally reads DNA as humans read a book? That's a rather naïve and presumptuous assumption.

The Information in DNA Is Decoded by Transcription
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/The-Information-in-DNA-Is-Decoded-by-6524808

I guess you will need to protest to the writer of the article about his supposedly bogus claim that DNA contains information.

 

[Speedwell]

Are you saying that I am imagining that RNA is a conscious entity that actually has a brain and eyes and literally reads DNA as humans read a book? That's a rather naïve and presumptuous assumption.

The Information in DNA Is Decoded by Transcription
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/The-Information-in-DNA-Is-Decoded-by-6524808

I guess you will need to protest to the writer of the article about his supposedly bogus claim that DNA contains information.

That appears to be what you are claiming--that DNA not only contains the coded information necessary to produce proteins, it contains a message.

 

[Radrook]

Could you be more specific? How does the reaction between DNA, RNA, and proteins clearly reveal the instructions put there by an intelligence?

You keep making these assertions, but offer no evidence.

I find your idea that chemicals did it or are responsible for the whole sequence of events leading the formation of the human brain and all its supporting organs totally unsatisfactory. The results of the whole sequence should be enough to dispel that inane notion of totally mindless events behaving as if they were a planning mind.

 

[Speedwell]

I find your idea that chemicals did it or are responsible for the whole sequence of events leading the formation of the human brain and all its supporting organs totally unsatisfactory.

You would. I think it's astounding. Who but God could have conceived of it?

 

[Radrook]

You would. I think it's astounding. Who but God could have conceived of it?

It's also astounding how someone could suggest it is just chemicals.

 

[Speedwell]

It's also astounding how someone could suggest it is just chemicals.

That's what is astounding about it--that it is just chemicals. Your God couldn't do it that way. Mine can.

 

[Radrook]

That's what is astounding about it--that it is just chemicals. Your God couldn't do it that way. Mine can.

Claiming that chemicals are your personal God is even more astounding yet.

 

[Speedwell]

Claiming that chemicals are your personal God is even more astounding yet.

Where did I make that claim? No, I think the difference is our differing understanding of the nature of causality. You seem to think only in terms of what Aristotle termed efficient causes.

 

[Radrook]

Where did I make that claim? No, I think the difference is our differing understanding of the nature of causality. You seem to think only in terms of what Aristotle termed efficient causes.

You said in post #157:

"That's what is astounding about it--that it is just chemicals. Your God couldn't do it that way. Mine can. "