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Although he probably could use the money, I suspect he would appreciate your "prayers" more
On behalf of all Australians, I would like to apologise for this video produced by one of my fellow Aussies. Though the production standards are excellent, his whole premise is nonsense. He also suffers from a strong anti-Catholic bias which kind of set the stage for his other biases. Nothing of value here.
Reread your post. Given your attacks on other people's typos, I would think you would carefully check what you've written before you hit "Post reply"What do you mean 'Money' ?
Reread your post. Given your attacks on other people's typos, I would think you would carefully check what you've written before you hit "Post reply"
Unfortunately, some people aren't willing to even entertain the slightest possibility that "they" might be the problem. I read some of his posts in other threads and his attitude left a lot to be desired. He said he came here for fellowship, but it is evident to me at least, that in reality he came here to teach.This is another believer in the truth down the pan, all because of peoples attitudes.
On behalf of all Australians, I would like to apologise for this video produced by one of my fellow Aussies. Though the production standards are excellent, his whole premise is nonsense. He also suffers from a strong anti-Catholic bias which kind of set the stage for his other biases. Nothing of value here.
Unfortunately, some people aren't willing to even entertain the slightest possibility that "they" might be the problem. I read some of his posts in other threads and his attitude left a lot to be desired. He said he came here for fellowship, but it is evident to me at least, that in reality he came here to teach.
There you go using that word againWhat you on about, he was showing the truth.
He wasn't being honest. Never a good way to start when meeting new people for the first time.So what if he did ?
Airplane windows are not convex. They are curved to match the fuselage. They don’t distort the view. Also pilot’s windows are like any other windshield glass but much stronger. All passengers and pilots can clearly see the curvature of the earth at cruising altitude. Not to mention the fact that airplane routes can take them from the east side of Africa to the west side of South America by flying over the Pacific Ocean. How could that be possible if the earth is flat?In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.
That’s perspective. A ship will in fact disappear from bottom to top. Even if you use a telescopic lens the effect will be the same. That is how the ancient Greeks attained the knowledge of a spherical earth.Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth, they advance beyond your visual perspective. Have you ever been on a long narrow highway lined with telephone poles on both sides? Look ahead or behind, the poles will grow closer together and closer to the ground from your perspective. Drive down the road a mile and those same poles will be at the same height and distance from one another as you originally perceived them. Aim a camera with a telescopic lens at the ship you watched disappear beyond the horizon, magnify the zoom and it will return to view.
Because it amazes me that someone would actually believe a flat earth when the earth has been scientifically and visually proven beyond any doubt to be a sphere. It’s even quite entertaining to see the disjointed and desperate arguments. You have fallen for falsehood. It’s sad really.You plainly stated "the fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate". Then why may I ask are you debating it here? If you are convinced that your view of the cosmos is the correct one, and all other viewpoints are " absurd", then what is the point of further discussion?
Yes Satan deceived them. But we have Jesus now. We believers need to do like Michael the archangel and rebuke the devil in Jesus name. Many scientists are Christians and you are calling them liars.You mentioned that it was God who created a spherical earth. It was also God who created the first humans, Adam and Eve. He created them in His own image and placed them in the garden called Paradise. They were perfect and innocent and had the presence of God Himself with them regularly. And yet, these magnificent creatures who were blessed beyond measure, and created in the very image of Almighty God, were somehow deceived by nothing more than a few simple statements and suggestions.
First, we are Christians. Christ died in the cross so that we would NOT be fallen creatures. Not the whole world is fallen and 99.9% of the world knows that we live in a spherical earth. No one is deceiving 99.9% of the world. You are not enlightened beyond any one else. Believing in a spherical world, as it actually is, is not a sin. Satan is looking to keep us in sin not to keep us from knowing scientific truth.We live in a fallen world, with fallen natures, not a paradise but a cesspool run by none other than Satan himself. Our enemies, the world and the devil, exist in complete opposition to everything that is holy and good and true. Our enemy the flesh is so easily tempted and corrupted that we must continually guard our hearts and minds against not only the world and the devil, but our own vain thoughts and imaginations. And yet, in light of these obvious spiritual realities, your average believer cannot even allow for the possibility that this evil and fallen world in which we live, just may be misrepresenting Gods creation, how such misrepresentations would obviously benefit them, or that ever falling victim to such a misrepresentation could ever be possible.
I told you above. Your belief in a flat earth is like the carnival oddity.I have already asked, why are you here if there is nothing to debate?
In other words tin foil hats and fingers in the ears. My friend I am a Christian saved by the blood of Christ and am also an engineer. I can unequivocally tell you that your belief is absolutely wrong.Have you ever wondered why we are here? Do you think those of us who disagree with you come here because we enjoy the insults, being called idiots and wingnuts and repeatedly being accused of having no discernment or wisdom and many times even being told that we can't even possibly be true Christian believers etc etc? Are we masochists? Trolls? Enemies sent by the devil himself to stir up division? No to all of these.
I can't speak for anyone else, though I know enough people who share my views to confidently say, we are here because at some point in our lives we realized that this world is an empire of lies, ruled by none other than the father of lies, and that a great deal of what we have been told our entire lives served no other purpose than to distract and deceive us into accepting and believing even more lies which would eventually separate us from any knowledge of Almighty God, His creation, His divine purposes, and ultimately His very existence.
You really don’t give God enough credit. God already beat the devil. Christ already beat evil. No one can take His sheep out of His hands. No one. No theory of evolution, no scientific advances, nothing can take His sheep. In fact the more scientific advances happen the more it points to God’s creation.That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education? God only knows.
And yet the indoctrinated one is you. Has it not occurred to you that you are the one that is wrong? Why are you, a sinful finite being, questioning the wonderful creation of an infinite omnipotent being? What makes you think that your belief gives you any special gnosis beyond what is observable and has been revealed? You have fallen with the false teachers and I exhort you to pray and realize the falsehood of your belief.We are here because at some point we realized that what we were told did not align with what we have observed. Do we claim to have all the answers, of course not. What we do have are a wealth insufficiently answered questions. And the God given ability to question those things which we can observably see as unsupported by the commonly accepted answers provided by the so called scientific community and generally accepted by the indoctrinated public at large.
May God bless you and guide you as well.God bless you.
Don't care. Reality is not determined by the ancient writing of ignorant people.The Biblical Case for a Flat and Motionless Earth: A Detailed Study
tl;drThe Bible, God’s inspired and infallible Word, offers a profound perspective on the creation and nature of the Earth. For those who believe in the absolute truth of Scripture, the descriptions of the Earth found throughout the Bible provide a compelling case for considering the Earth as a flat, motionless plane. In my mind, there is no doubt. What say you? In this study, we will explore numerous verses that support this view, examining the Earth’s foundation, its relationship with the heavens, the nature of the sun, moon, and stars, and the consistent portrayal of the Earth as unmoving.
1. The Foundations and Immovability of the Earth
The Bible begins its description of creation with the Earth, painting a picture of a stable, immovable foundation. This concept is essential to the biblical view of the Earth. In Genesis 1:1–2, the creation of the Earth is mentioned before the creation of the heavens:
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
Genesis 1:1–2, NKJV
The Earth is described here as having a surface, a “face” upon which waters and darkness existed. The following verses begin to structure the Earth, culminating in the establishment of its firm foundations.
In Psalm 104:5, we find a more explicit reference to these foundations:
“You who laid the foundations of the earth, so that it should not be moved forever.”
Psalm 104:5, NKJV
The Earth’s foundations being firmly laid suggests stability and immovability, reinforcing the idea that the Earth does not move. This is supported by 1 Chronicles 16:30:
“Tremble before Him, all the earth. The world also is firmly established, it shall not be moved.”
1 Chronicles 16:30, NKJV
Here, the Bible clearly states that the Earth is “firmly established” and “shall not be moved,” suggesting that the Earth remains stationary. The theme of a fixed, immobile Earth is a common one throughout the Bible, and it provides a foundation for understanding the flat Earth model.
2. The Four Corners of the Earth: The Biblical Geography
In various places, Scripture refers to the “four corners” or “ends” of the Earth, a concept that fits within a flat Earth model. These descriptions convey the idea of a plane with boundaries or edges. Isaiah 11:12 is one such example:
“He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”
Isaiah 11:12, NKJV
The term “four corners” implies that the Earth has an extended surface with discernible ends or points, which aligns with a flat Earth view. Additionally, Revelation 7:1 repeats this idea:
“After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.” Revelation 7:1, NKJV
The angels standing at the four corners of the Earth support the idea of an extended, flat surface with defined edges. These references are difficult to reconcile with a spherical Earth but are consistent with a flat plane.
3. The Firmament: A Dome Over the Earth
One of the most critical elements of the biblical description of the cosmos is the firmament, a solid structure created by God to separate the waters above from the waters below. In Genesis 1:6–8, we read:
“Then God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.’ Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven.”
Genesis 1:6–8, NKJV
The firmament, often translated as “expanse,” is described as a solid dome or vault, separating the waters above from the waters below. This idea is reinforced in Job 37:18, where the firmament is compared to a solid mirror:
“With Him, have you spread out the skies, strong as a cast metal mirror?”
Job 37:18, NKJV
The depiction of the skies as a “cast metal mirror” suggests that the firmament is solid, not a void as modern cosmology suggests. It forms a boundary over the Earth, supporting the flat Earth model. The firmament is not only a divider but also a protective dome over the Earth, a key concept in understanding the biblical cosmos.
The firmament, referred to as “raqia” (רָקִיעַ) in Hebrew, is a concept rooted in the Biblical creation narrative, particularly in Genesis. The term “raqia” is derived from the root word “raqa,” meaning to stretch, spread out, or expand, often used in the context of hammering out metal. In the ancient Hebrew worldview, the raqia was understood as an expanse or vault that separated the “waters above” from the “waters below,” as described in Genesis 1:6–8. This firmament, solid and vast, was envisioned as a dome or arch that held back the upper waters, creating a division between the earthly realm and the heavenly realms. It is described as being adorned with the sun, moon, and stars, which are set within it to govern day and night. The raqia’s significance is profound in that it represents both the boundary and the connection between the physical world and the heavens, demonstrating God’s sovereignty in establishing order in the cosmos. Its expansive, mysterious nature invites awe and reflection, as it serves as a visual metaphor for the majesty and intentionality of God’s creative power.
4. The Sun, Moon, and Stars: Lights Within the Firmament
The Bible provides a detailed description of the placement of the sun, moon, and stars within the firmament, close to the Earth. According to Genesis 1:14–19, these heavenly bodies were created to serve specific purposes for the Earth:
“Then God said, ‘Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth’; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth.”
Genesis 1:14–17, NKJV
Notice that the sun, moon, and stars are set within the firmament, not millions of miles away, as modern science claims. Their primary function is to give light to the Earth and mark time for signs, seasons, days, and years. This description fits the flat Earth model, where these celestial bodies move within the firmament above a flat, motionless Earth.
5. The Motion of the Sun: The Bible Speaks of the Sun Moving, Not the Earth
Several verses in the Bible describe the movement of the sun, but none describe the Earth as moving. The Earth is consistently portrayed as motionless, while the sun is described as moving across the sky. One of the clearest examples of this is found in Ecclesiastes 1:5:
“The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it arose.” Ecclesiastes 1:5, NKJV
This verse explicitly states that the sun moves, rising and setting each day. It does not mention any movement of the Earth, which aligns with the idea of a stationary Earth and a moving sun.
Another example comes from Joshua 10:12–13, where Joshua commands the sun to stand still:
“Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel: ‘Sun, stand still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.’ So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the people had revenge upon their enemies… So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.”
Joshua 10:12–13, NKJV
Here, the sun and moon are described as halting their movement, implying that they move regularly. This event further supports the idea that it is the sun and moon that move, not the Earth.
6. The Earth as a Fixed, Immovable Plane
In addition to the references to the Earth’s foundation, the Bible repeatedly describes the Earth as immobile, a fixed plane established by God. Job 38:4–6 describes God laying the foundation of the Earth:
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone?”
Job 38:4–6, NKJV
This passage emphasizes the Earth’s foundation as something solid, fixed, and measured. The Earth is not described as a sphere suspended in space but as a structure with foundations and a cornerstone. Psalm 93:1 echoes this sentiment:
“The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The Lord is clothed, He has girded Himself with strength. Surely the world is established, so that it cannot be moved.”
Psalm 93:1, NKJV
Again, the Earth is described as “established” and “cannot be moved,” underscoring its fixed and immovable nature. This portrayal is consistent throughout Scripture and aligns with the flat Earth model.
Conclusion: A Biblical Case for a Flat, Motionless Earth
The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, offers a consistent depiction of the Earth as a flat, motionless plane covered by a firmament. The firm foundations, the immovability of the Earth, the sun and moon’s movement within the firmament, and the description of the four corners of the Earth all point to a flat Earth model. Scripture never describes the Earth as a spinning globe but instead presents a picture of a stationary, flat surface with a firmament overhead.
I have tried writing this very simply to show you (especially all Pastors who still preach NASA lies instead of the Bible in your church) that the Bible describes from Genesis to Revelation God’s true cosmology and not the world’s description and understanding. I believe this to be a large part of Satan's great deception to throw off the church.
For those who believe in the complete truth and authority of the Bible, it is worth seriously considering the possibility that the Earth is not a globe hurtling through space but a flat, motionless plane just as God created it and describes it perfectly in His word.
If you believe the Bible is 100 percent truth, then you should faithfully consider the Earth as a flat, motionless plane created by God.
thanks and God bless!
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Carry on, do I care ? NOPE!Can, will, and do.
Carry on, do I care ? NOPE!
If you didn't, you wouldn't have responded either way...
Rubbish.This is another believer in the truth down the pan, all because of peoples attitudes.
You wrote "payers" - i.e people who pay - instead of prayers.
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