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Featured The mark of the believer, Love or the sabbath or something else?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by frogoon234, May 14, 2019 at 6:42 AM.

  1. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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    Some churches claim the mark of the believer or christian is the sabbath.
    If this was true i would strongly consider going to that church.

    Using the Bible can any one tell me what they think is the mark of the christian.

    Ofcourse we've all heard of the mark of the beast which relates to pay for goods and services using some mark or device. (Revelation + mark of the beast + google or bing search)

    questions or comments?
     
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  2. GodsGrace101

    GodsGrace101 Well-Known Member

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    Love is the sign of the Christian.
    We're made in God's image and God IS LOVE
    1 John 4:8

    So if we do not demonstrate love, we cannot be one with God.
     
  3. Peter J Barban

    Peter J Barban Active Member

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    The mark of a Christian is the Fruit of the Spirit:

    Galatians 5 NIV
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.
     
  4. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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    thanks for responding
     
  5. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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    thanks for responding
     
  6. Chris V++

    Chris V++ The Sparrow Supporter

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    What is meant by the mark of the believer is the sabbath? Does that mean where (in which denomination) and how you spend your Sunday (Saturday in some cases?)
     
  7. frogoon234

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    Apart of some churches eschatology (*spelling or endtimes) they believe the anti christ or beast will force christians to accept something that is counter christian. According to this eschatology the "true" christians have accepted the right sabbath and the "false" christians will accept the mark of the beast.

    There was a baptist with the last name Miller (i think) who believed this. This church sprang from Millerism. I believe but i could be wrong that Miller repented for some of his former beliefs.
     
  8. GodsGrace101

    GodsGrace101 Well-Known Member

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    To me the question that is being asked is:
    what, on the exterior, would make someone believe you're Christian. At least that's how I understood it.

    A visible sign: Going to church could be a visible sign.
    I had posted that love is a visible sign.
     
  9. Sola1517

    Sola1517 Saint-in-Progress (Looking for a Church)

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    Dependence on God. Mark 8:34-38. Just read that this morning.
     
  10. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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    I would argue dependence on God requires God's grace. However i always interpreted this verse as Andrew Wommack interprets it in that there is a difference between a converted person and a person who is a disciple. I'm sure some people disagree with this. I hope they are wrong.
     
  11. StevenBelievin

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    I would think it is love the Lord your God and love others as yourself.
     
  12. A_Thinker

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    "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples ... If you have LOVE one for another.". Jesus/John 15, I think ...
     
  13. frogoon234

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    thats the general consensus so far.

    Revelation chapter 12 says "They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."

    In other words its Gods love for us that we sometimes manifest towards others. His love going through us.
     
  14. 1213

    1213 Disciple of Jesus

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    Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus. They can be recognized by these:

    "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
    John 8:31-32

    … By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
    John 13:34-35
     
  15. frogoon234

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    I wish you were wrong. Based on just these two scriptures i could possibly argue a converted person doesn't necessarily show love (apparent love) but then through Jesus's mercy is put out of their misery before they lose their salvation.
     
  16. com7fy8

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    There can be people in a certain group who say things like this, but they do not necessarily represent what others or even most members of the group trust. But they can be the most busy with pushing some thing they dictate, so it can seem as though they speak for everybody in the group.

    Yes, Jesus says people will know us by our love for one another.

    But, also, there is Hebrews 12:4-14 which says every child of God has our Father correcting him or her. And this scripture says what is the guaranteed result of how God corrects us.
     
  17. frogoon234

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    See the forum topic on new threads:

    "The Acts 15 decree".


    It clarifies your post. I didn't write that post so you don't have to worry about that. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. Scripture edifies scripture

    Our hearts shall not be above our brothers (first 5 books of the Bible)
    We shall love our neighbor as our self (commandment by Jesus Christ)
    Love can't be quantified by you or me and only by Jesus Christ can it be quantified
     
  18. paul1149

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    The whole thrust of Christ's message is against the importance of externals. Therefore I would go with the mark of the Christian being a transformed heart - as others have said, the fruit of the Spirit, chief of which is love.
     
  19. Sola1517

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    When I say that I mean very simply to have a personal relationship with Jesus by which you walk by the Spirit.
     
  20. J.P. Zaleta

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    Hi all,

    We haven't found the right church because it keeps the Sabbath
    or because we have found a group of people who love one another.
    All of us together are the Church. He labeled us as such.

    When we label ourselves or others, as, you are a Peter follower,
    your following Paul, you Jesus [Christian], I am a Sabbath keeper,
    etc., we are artificially dividing ourselves with that label.

    The early church had the same problem as you pose.
    Look closely in Acts and you will see the division of the church
    at that time over circumcision [sabbath keepers]
    and those who had to take care of the poor[love]
    and not eat strangled meat.;)

    We need to see the labels God puts on us from His perspective:

    His child. Jesus' friend. New person with a whole new life.
    His house where His Spirit lives. His work of art.
    Spiritually alive. Citizen of Heaven.
    Totally and completely forgiven.
    Messenger to the world.
    His disciple-maker.
    Light of the world.
    Salt of the earth.
    Greatly loved.

    God bless,
    JP
     
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