The Mark of the Beast

[Almighty's humble servant]

I doubt that chipping will be the Mark. It could be though. There is another technology that seems more likely. Somark, permanent invisible tatoos. A chip would be a problem in foreheads. An invisible tatoo would not.

Imagine for a moment the potential for this situation to arise.

Your a Christian(not you, but we're walking in this man's shoes). You scoff at the notion that the microchip implant in your hand is the mark of the beast. So you go about your life, taking your chipped children to their schools, going to your job, scanning your chip at payroll to sign your DD statement, and stopping at the Piggy Wiggly to buy some milk, scanning your chip to debit your world currency account. You come home and and you turn on the radio.
Suddenly, you hear a SW broadcast coming through on your favorite AM newstalk radio. You move the dial right and left, fine tuning the poor quality broadcast.
You hear man and a woman talking about this christ who descended from the heavens to save humanity and how his rebuilding of the temple is soas he can seat himself in it and be god on earth. Your 12 y/o son comes into the room and suggests you listen on. His youth group had been discussing the new Jerusalem coming down, and he was asking why instead it is going up sotosay. He asks, but I thought we were the Temple?
The man and woman end their broadcast saying they can bring men back to God and away from the beast. Simply flee to the wilderness and find the body of Christ, they will help you overcome.
You, your wife and your children pack up Sunday after Church and take a road trip to rural (wherever). You drive down a dirt road where you see a man dressed in rags. Your wife is saying to you by this time.....WTH are you thinking? You know these people are terrorists. Why are we denying christ, and visiting these madmen.
You are directed to proceed by the old tattered man, where you meet a group of praying believers, passing the loaves and fish.
Thier service has a warm, familiar feeling. Suddenly, you are in Peter's eyes. You are seeing the Disciples lives. The Holy Spirit moves among these men and woman and children and their love resonates far above their distrust.
A young man explains to you that youve been here for 3 hours now, and it's time to leave. Your transistor chip is broadcasting your location, and they'd put to much blood sweat and tears into securing this safezone. They have a winter coming and they remember their first plight.
Now, your mind begins to twist and turn. Your wife tugs at your short as if she were in agreement with the "terrorist"( she aint buying their story).
You depart after a long embrace with the group. You've heard more than you needed to know, and the Holy Spirit has convicted you. The Lord is calling you.
You think of nothing but that damned chip in your family's hands. But Monday comes and it's off to work another week. Each night, you go away to your sitting room and lock yourself away from your wife. She has no intention of opening herself to the idea of living in squalor. You surf the AM frequencies to find that static riddled broadcast, and on Friday, you finally hear it again.

This time, the sermon/discussion is focused on the mark of God. And how God promises His believers that ALL provision will be made for those who accept His seal. Something similar to what the christ ruling the world currently said 2 yrs ago when you were implanted. By 6 AM you are waking the kids and you are making that drive.

When you arrive back, you see the same old man and he welcomes you with open arms. No suspicions, just warm embrace, and raising hands to the Lord, praising Him for delivering yet another sheep back into the fold.
You walk down that dirt road and the men greet you while a younger woman takes you children into a cabin where she passes out copies of the Bible Stories Book. Your children do as much teaching her as she them, and they share a laugh as they talk of Abraham walking through his enemies camps under divine protection. Laughter because satan has no sight into heart, and he MUST use men to meet his sinister goals, men, which are ignorant of the strength and power the Holy Spirit pours out on God's people.

The men begin to focus their concentration on calling you and your family out of this world and back into the Kingdom. They know you are doomed with that mark in your right hand, but the Lord has power over all. A young couple walk up and you see the man has no right hand. His stump is callous and covered with scabs. It is as painful to look at as it must have been when the amputation was done.
Immediately your wife calls out to the children. She'll have no part in amputating her childrens hands, her own, or yours for that matter. A man wearing surgical gloves approaches you and explains that the young man with the amputated hand had nobody to tell him that God doesn't need you to cut off your hand to save your spirit. The Lord simply wants you to leave the world and enter the Kingdom. No amputations necessary.
The man is a surgical nurse by trade, and he happened to have swiped a fair share of expired lidocaine, needles, syringes, and surgical dressings before he, himself came out of this world. He explains that he can remove your families chips, but it must be done in your home soas the transmitter does not pinpoint their location.
You decide you are coming out. You and the man and your family, pack into the Blazer and hed back to civilization. There, at your home, one by one he administers the expired xylocaine and makes a minute incision, and removed all of your chips. Placing each, under the pillow of your respective beds.
The family, then loads up the truck with all your necessary items, foods, clothing, flashlights, tents, and everything else you can make in a single trip.

After a week or so, your wife encourages you to return home to gather more supplies. You feel free enough to do so, and you make the trip. When you turn the corner on your block, you see a strange van parked across the street. It's plain white and you don't recall any of the neighbors planning a remodeling project.
You pull up slowly and pull into your drive. The van appears empty from what you can see without gawking at it. Your wife goes into the BR and gathers jewelry, panties, bras, pjs, and a couple warm sweaters. She fills two suitcases, while you struggle to pack a small travel bag. Toothbrush/paste. Aspirin, tylenol, and few odd treasures you'd been saving since childhood.
You box up the rest of the contents of the pantry, fridge, and you grab the family cat. Oddly enough, the cat is not chipped.

As you are leaving, the wife mentions that you'd both received your DD from your last weeks work. You say to her, but without our chips, there's no way to access the funds or spend them. She recommends the obvious choice which is to simply pick up your chips from under your pillows and bring them along. Stop at the wallyworld and use the self checkout line where you can simply pass the chip over the scanner.
You agree that it's a good idea to utilize this resource, even though it seems contrary to your new commitment to the Kingdom. You go to the walmart and spend several hundred on food and toiletries. Your SUV is packed to the hilt now, and you fill up the fuel tank before leaving.

On your way to the commune, you remind your wife that you must toss the chips out. You do so, but she can't seem to get herself to toss her own. She had been secretly setting aside a couple hundred a month for a second honeymoon, and moving into this commune what not what she had in mind.
She says, when y'all get back to the commune, she'd help you unload, then take the suv back home where she'll place it neatly under the pillow.
Sounds like a good plan, but of course, the original idea of using the resources provided by the beasts, were not likely inspired by the Holy Spirit, and when we follow our own instincts rather than walking by faith, well, we all know where that get's us. She proceeds home, and you expect her in about 2 hours to return.

Night falls early this time of year, and 4 hours later, still no wife. The kids are being comforted and the brothers are questioning your motives for the separation. Your heart is telling you to go after her, but the Holy Spirit restrains you. The brothers and sisters are urging you to listen to the voice of God calling you to stand firm.
As you toss and turn through the night, your dreaming of your wife's beheading. Your dreaming of her imprisonment. You can't take it anymore and your flesh overcomes your spirit. You wake one of the brothers and ask to borrow his truck. You NEED to go back for her.

When you arrive home, you find an official letter posted to your door. The note is a copy of an arrest warrant for both you and your wife. It headlines simply......The State of Wisconsin vs Tamara and William Holder.

Under the header, a list of codes/violations including child neglect are itemized. You rip it off the door and drive to the local sheriffs dept. The sheriff's deputy advises you of your "rights" and then praises you for turning yourself in. He brings you to your wife and he tells ya that your not the first to lose it and take out your chips. It's a minor violation, and easily remedied if you bring your children back to school and return to work. He says, this kingdom isn't gonna build itself, and he talked with your wife and realizes that the architecture firm she works for is really missing her skills. Surely, the factory you'd been working at needed your's as well.
He doesnt imprison you and he empathizes with your plight. You wait three hours until morning when the sheriff arrives.
The sheriff suggest the 3 of you drive out to pick up your children so you can take them to the clinic to be re-implanted. You are totally against the idea, while your wife is fuming with you by this time. The sheriff says, "ya know, I understand you want to protect the protesters, and that's your right". But the children come first. So he tells ya to go ahead and pick your kids up and meet him and your wife at the clinic for re-implantation.

He releases you and your wife on your signature and follows you to the clinic where you drop your wife off. You drive around the block and park. You watch as the sheriff pulls away, and you return on foot to the clinic. Your wife is filling out paperwork and you pull her outside.

You tell her, that it was by faith that God made the sheriff release you. God is giving us yet another chance. She argues that God has sent this new messiah, and if you are to receive eternal life, you must keep his seal on your mind and your hands. Without it, you are criminals, and this new messiah is giving you a second chance. There's no convincing her. You leave her. Your heart is broken. Your wife is lost.

A week later, she pulls into the compound. You ask about her coming back. She's there for the children. She's got divorce papers and she says the sheriff will be along shortly. The Holy Spirit reminds you of your seal. You are invincible to the powers that be. As Abraham, the sheriff will not harm you. You notice a small steristrip on your wifes hairline. Harly noticeable, but you ask where the implant is because you don't see it under her skin as you did on her forehand.
She explains that the chip is behind her skull. Planted squarely between her eyes. Suddenly, you realize fully, there is NO surgical nurse who can remove it. Her decision was made at that clinic when the Lord gave her an out. Her fate is sealed.
The sheriff pulls up and sees only her standing in a grove. He sees no people or structures. The Lord has made invisible the believers the sheriff set out to imprison.

 

[KJV1611Warrior]

I hear ya. I've posted before that I'm not dogmatic about the mark being a chip. I do think it will involve DNA tampering and a fusion with the beast/a/c genetically. They have unveiled a new DNA scanner that can get instantaneous results.

 

[Manasseh_]

I hear ya. I've posted before that I'm not dogmatic about the mark being a chip. I do think it will involve DNA tampering and a fusion with the beast/a/c genetically. They have unveiled a new DNA scanner that can get instantaneous results.

add one more to the list of many wild speculations made about the mark
of the beast

scripture states that God's wrath is poured out on the "children of disobedience", to disobey God is to break his commandments..........Rev 15 and 20 say that many saints, in the past, in part got the victory over the mark , simply a clue to show that the mark was once in existence and was enforced before there was any such modern day technology

Eph_5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col_3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

 

[Achilles6129]

I think that the mark of the beast will be a tattoo mark. Consider that '666' as written in Revelation is written by using Greek letters, not Greek numbers. The letters used are the 22nd, 14th, and 6th (now obsolete) letters of the Greek alphabet. Hence, chi xi stigma.

Now stigma has a very interesting meaning. It is a mark that a master used to brand his slaves (or criminals) with. Stigma also carries the connotation of tattoo mark in Greek. So I believe that John was giving us a hidden clue as to what the mark of the beast really is by hiding the word stigma (through use of the obsolete Greek letter) in 666.

 

[Manasseh_]

I think that the mark of the beast will be a tattoo mark. Consider that '666' as written in Revelation is written by using Greek letters, not Greek numbers. The letters used are the 22nd, 14th, and 6th (now obsolete) letters of the Greek alphabet. Hence, chi xi stigma.

Now stigma has a very interesting meaning. It is a mark that a master used to brand his slaves (or criminals) with. Stigma also carries the connotation of tattoo mark in Greek. So I believe that John was giving us a hidden clue as to what the mark of the beast really is by hiding the word stigma (through use of the obsolete Greek letter) in 666.

the number of the beast is not the mark of the beast, the number is to identify who the beast is

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

three separate things allow someone to be able to buy or sell.........
the mark
or the name of the beast
or the number of his name

simply put you could take the name or the number of the beast and not have the mark in order to buy and sell........so much speculation and emphasis has been put on the mark of the beast that people have not read or studied close enough to understand taking any of these three would allow one to buy and sell but in the end incur God's wrath

chi xi stigma isn't the number of a man, it's only certain words of the Greek language, it also wouldn't identify who the beast is

the indication in this verse is to count (add up) the number .........and one needs special skill in wisdom and understanding to do so.............no one needs wisdom or understanding to just read the greek and see the words chi xi stigma right in front of them...........

taking the mark, the name or the number of the beast has to do with directly disobeying God and to do that one must willingly break God's commandments because God's wrath is poured out on the disobedient

 

[Achilles6129]

the number of the beast is not the mark of the beast, the number is to identify who the beast is

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

three separate things allow someone to be able to buy or sell.........
the mark
or the name of the beast
or the number of his name

These three things are equivalents. The "or" here is an equivalent, not a distinctive "or." The mark of the beast, his name, and his number are all different ways of describing the same thing.

the indication in this verse is to count (add up) the number .........and one needs special skill in wisdom and understanding to do so.............no one needs wisdom or understanding to just read the greek and see the words chi xi stigma right in front of them...........

Actually, they evidently do as every commentator I have read has missed this "obvious" sequence. The notion that this is some sort of coincidence is far-fetched - the very word stigma in Greek means a mark that a master brands his slaves with. This is an obvious connection with the mark of the beast. The fact that stigma also connotes a tattoo mark in Greek is also telling. John is simply telling us what the mark of the beast will be.

 

[Manasseh_]

These three things are equivalents. The "or" here is an equivalent, not a distinctive "or." The mark of the beast, his name, and his number are all different ways of describing the same thing.

your explanation here can't work for one simple reason.........the mark of the beast didn't always exist but the beast did exist before so one could take the name or number of the beast...............so John is not giving a description of the same thing , ie,, the mark

the Revelation gives more evidence of this............
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

it should be obvious that all these saints didn't live in the same generation.......so some of them got the victory over the beast by not taking it's name or the number of his name while others not taking the mark or worshiping it's image

Actually, they evidently do as every commentator I have read has missed this "obvious" sequence. The notion that this is some sort of coincidence is far-fetched - the very word stigma in Greek means a mark that a master brands his slaves with. This is an obvious connection with the mark of the beast. The fact that stigma also connotes a tattoo mark in Greek is also telling. John is simply telling us what the mark of the beast will be.

the word that you're using 'stigma' is actually a ligature of the greek letters sigma and tau

li-ga-ture : Two or more letters combined into one character make a ligature. In typography some ligatures represent specific sounds or words such as the AE or æ diphthong ligature. Other ligatures are primarily to make type more attractive on the page such as the fl and fi ligatures

you're also attempting to limit the definition of the word 'stigma' because it's also used for a numeral symbol for the number 6 which agrees more with scripture when it instructs to count the NUMBER of the beast

although it's not conclusive , the research that I've done on this so far seems to indicate that this use of these types of ligatures were not in use in the classical or koine greek when NT testament scripture was written , and that it wasn't used until about the 8th or 9th century onward

 

[Achilles6129]

your explanation here can't work for one simple reason.........the mark of the beast didn't always exist but the beast did exist before so one could take the name or number of the beast...............so John is not giving a description of the same thing , ie,, the mark

the Revelation gives more evidence of this............
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

it should be obvious that all these saints didn't live in the same generation.......so some of them got the victory over the beast by not taking it's name or the number of his name while others not taking the mark or worshiping it's image

I disagree with your interpretation, but it will be pointless for us to debate it further. I take the "ors" as being equivalents. I do not agree with your reasons for not doing so.

the word that you're using 'stigma' is actually a ligature of the greek letters sigma and tau

li-ga-ture : Two or more letters combined into one character make a ligature. In typography some ligatures represent specific sounds or words such as the AE or æ diphthong ligature. Other ligatures are primarily to make type more attractive on the page such as the fl and fi ligatures

you're also attempting to limit the definition of the word 'stigma' because it's also used for a numeral symbol for the number 6 which agrees more with scripture when it instructs to count the NUMBER of the beast

although it's not conclusive , the research that I've done on this so far seems to indicate that this use of these types of ligatures were not in use in the classical or koine greek when NT testament scripture was written , and that it wasn't used until about the 8th or 9th century onward

Digamma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Digamma (or wau, uppercase Ϝ, lowercase ϝ; as a numeral: stigma, &#987 is an archaic letter of the Greek alphabet, which originally stood for the sound /w/ and later remained in use only as a symbol for the number "6". Whereas it was originally called wau, its most common appellation in classical Greek is digamma, while, as a numeral, it was called episēmon during the Byzantine era. Today, the numeral is often called stigma, after the value of a Byzantine Greek ligature σ-τ (&#987, which shares the same shape and was used as a textual ligature in Greek print until the 19th century.
Digamma/wau was part of the original archaic Greek alphabet as initially adopted from Phoenician. Like its model, Phoenician waw, it represented the voiced labial-velar approximant /w/ and stood in the 6th position in the alphabet, between epsilon and zeta. It is the consonantal doublet of the vowel letter upsilon (/u/), which was also derived from waw but was placed at the end of the Greek alphabet. Digamma/wau is in turn the ancestor of the Latin letter F. As an alphabetic letter it is attested in archaic and dialectal ancient Greek inscriptions until the classical period.
The shape of the letter went through a development from through , , , to or , which at that point was conflated with the σ-τ ligature . In modern print, a distinction is made between the letter in its original alphabetic role as a consonant sign, which is rendered as "Ϝ" or its modern lowercase variant "ϝ", and the numeric symbol, which is represented by "ϛ" (or, in modern practice in Greece, replaced with "στ").

Yes, you are correct about this, but I still can hardly think it a coincidence that the word "stigma" is associated with the antichrist. The connection here is very strong to be coincidental. John originally wrote the numeral '666' using letters, one of which eventually became "stigma" (only to become obsolete later). And stigma means a mark that a master brands his slaves with.

Very strange.

 

[Manasseh_]

I disagree with your interpretation, but it will be pointless for us to debate it further. I take the "ors" as being equivalents. I do not agree with your reasons for not doing so.

well, their not my reasons , the facts from scripture first and then history dictate the reasoning and even when you disagree on the basis that you think someone is interpreting scriptures wrong, we don't have to interpret documented history, all you can do from a historical standpoint is deny that it happened which is what you have to do in this case to make your premise work

Yes, you are correct about this, but I still can hardly think it a coincidence that the word "stigma" is associated with the antichrist. The connection here is very strong to be coincidental. John originally wrote the numeral '666' using letters, one of which eventually became "stigma" (only to become obsolete later). And stigma means a mark that a master brands his slaves with.

Very strange.

it may or may not be, but can you completely rule out the possibility that it might be coincidence based on the fact that the english definition of stigma has a number of meanings ?

 

[Achilles6129]

it may or may not be, but can you completely rule out the possibility that it might be coincidence based on the fact that the english definition of stigma has a number of meanings ?

Stigma is actually a Greek word. It was around when John wrote Revelation (Paul uses it in Galatians - I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus). It is the definition of the Greek word that I am referring to, not the English word

 

[WailingWall]

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys
below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

EXOD.13 [9] And it shall be for a SIGN unto thee UPON THINE HAND, and for A MEMORIAL BETWEEN THINE EYES, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

There will not be a chip. The sign that will be in your forehead is{what you believe}. The sign on your hand {your actual actions}. It all has to do with Gods law.

 

[Achilles6129]

There will not be a chip. The sign that will be in your forehead is{what you believe}. The sign on your hand {your actual actions}. It all has to do with Gods law.

If there is not a literal mark of the beast then why does Revelation say a person cannot buy/sell without it?

It seems that this is something economic which a person is forced to take in order to buy/sell. It sounds to me like a way to try to thwart crime (probably terrorism) by being able to track the whereabouts of every single individual on the planet at all times.

Either that, or it is an attempt to go to a cashless society. But why have a cashless society in the first place? Obviously, the point would be to track an individual. You cannot track cash, so the point is to do away with cash and hence do away with crime.

 

[Fireinfolding]

If there is not a literal mark of the beast then why does Revelation say a person cannot buy/sell without it?

It seems that this is something economic which a person is forced to take in order to buy/sell. It sounds to me like a way to try to thwart crime (probably terrorism) by being able to track the whereabouts of every single individual on the planet at all times.

Either that, or it is an attempt to go to a cashless society. But why have a cashless society in the first place? Obviously, the point would be to track an individual. You cannot track cash, so the point is to do away with cash and hence do away with crime.

Hi Achilles, how are you?



Im actually a fence sitter with some of this (and other things pertaining to this) yet. And I suppose because I need to familiarize myself better with them. Even though I know those who are (more familiarized with them) are all pretty much divided on them, so I'm not sure which camp I will find myself in after becoming more familiarized with them. I am pretty openminded in weighing between the differences, and I suppose because when I dont know for sure (and which often takes ALOT to convince me) I stay unconvinced for quite awhile on just about anything, till I am first settled on it (not beforehand) .

And I have considered this thing in the many various ways as put forth but still not convinced yet. I do have a tendency to lean toward the spiritual myself , even as some say its spiritual others say its otherwise, but I honestly cannot recconcile the buying and selling aspect of it into what is spiritual (alone) even though I know of the verse, "buy the truth and sell it not" and the various others that might be used to somehow show it is. Ive combed this thing over and over and nothing is jiving 100% with me.

And I suppose too because if as the mark of God, is spiritual in nature (given we are sealed with the Holy Spirit) how can the mark of the beast (which is natural by nature of it) whose weapons might be carnal (by nature of who is might appeal to) and be of the same thing entirely? How can one be killed for not worshipping what they were deceived into being made by the hands of them which dwell on earth? I mean even in the OT they would not bow before this thing another set up (and it was perceived so). But even the love of (in ones heart) money has an eye (toward the outward) somewhat in respects to the object (or objects) of its affection. And isnt it that which is of the world (even) the things of this world (that) which the dragon offers? Which also pertain to the lust of the eyes (or what is more visual) so to speak to men (generally)? Speaks of freindship with the world, and love if things something similarly. He says make friends to yourself (in respects to unrighteous mammon) and points out whose image is on it, which is Ceasars (thus we have one king) in Ceasar (type thing) which is also of a goverment (able to dictate such a thing) Even as we have Christ who has His government. Where I can somewhat catch a glimpse of goverments face to face here somewhat. The Kingdom (Christ's) not being of this world whereas Ceasars (just using him as an example) of this world. Nebbys just the same but shows the governments involvement in relation to these things, well....as far as I can perceive. Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar (that which has his image on it) but to Gods what is Gods (which is our bodies). It speaks of not offering our members unto sin and how it he says (also) know ye not to whosoever you offer your members to obey "his servants" ye are.This being sin (which is in our members) and so likewise I can see the spiritual aspect of the truth playing out of the same, as The Father's name pertains to the forehead (as the mind of Christ) or even as the righthand of fellowship (in that sense too) verses the other being in the same mind (or that which pertains to the forehead) or righthand, whether with light or with darkness. So I have considered but I am still not yet convinced (so much so) that I can say with confidence given that whole buying and selling thing, how can a natural man kill you seeing what he cannot by nature perceive (a spiritual mark)? Certain things escape me yet.

So, I just dont know yet (to be quite honest) . And I can indeed see the spiritual aspects of it (no doubt) however (overall) its just not sitting with me where I would feel comfortable to affirm it applies only to that alone. And I suppose because I reason carnal men see after the flesh, even as they might see fire coming down (as in "the sight of men") and various other points which appear to show something done more carnally so (as to be reccognized by them). For example deceiving them which dwell on the earth saying to them to make something (one of which) is an image which is also shown to be that which is the works of a mans hands (throughout scripture). But I really havent yet been able to recconcile it as being 100% spiritual in the various ways it speaks.　

Speaking freely here and breifly (actually) so dont hold me to anything mispoken here. I pretty much copy pasted the majority of the above out of an older doc when I was contemplating the same thing, so I thought I would add this into yours and be more of a listener in this thread because I cant post much back and forths at this time.

Our God richly bless you
　
　

 

[WailingWall]

If there is not a literal mark of the beast then why does Revelation say a person cannot buy/sell without it?

Yeah, i understand what your saying. I probably should keep my mouth closed till i fully study a subject.

Nehemiah 10:31 (KJV)
31 And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.

If you were to buy or sell on the sabbath, you were breaking Gods law

 

[dollarsbill]

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys
below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

EXOD.13 [9] And it shall be for a SIGN unto thee UPON THINE HAND, and for A MEMORIAL BETWEEN THINE EYES, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

There will not be a chip. The sign that will be in your forehead is{what you believe}. The sign on your hand {your actual actions}. It all has to do with Gods law.

Would you accept a literal mark on your forehead or right hand?

 

[denim]

As a information technologis. ,I can tell you that they are currently reseaching DNA computers. Soon they will be able to engrave a biological microchip on your skin.

 

[WailingWall]

Would you accept a literal mark on your forehead or right hand?

No dollarsbill i would not. But i dont believe thats the way itll go down. Let me ask you a question. The bible speaks of 2 ressurections. The 1st is at the 1Cor.15 event {where ONLY the dead in Christ rise}. The "many" claim this event happens before the chip would be put in your hand or foehead. The 2nd ressurection would be the great white in which the "many" claim is a ressurection of the bad guys only. Sooo...if you do not take the mark and die shortly after how would you be ressurected? Does not this theory deny the ressurection of those who do not take the mark?

 

[denim]

There will not be any silicone chip inserted into our bodies - That is so70s. Instead our skin's DNA will be engrafted to perform computation and data storage.

 

[Interplanner]

After 51 pages on this, I hope you folks will get back to the work of the Gospel as the apostles preached it: that the resurrection of Christ is the fulfillment of all that was promised to the fathers because it is proof of the approval of Christ's accomplishment: we are justified from our sins by what he did. --the sermon in Acts 13

It is the most amazing thing. Tell a friend.

--Inter

 

[Achilles6129]

Hello Fire, yes, excellent observations as usual. You have given me even more to think about - thanks for your input!

After 51 pages on this, I hope you folks will get back to the work of the Gospel as the apostles preached it: that the resurrection of Christ is the fulfillment of all that was promised to the fathers because it is proof of the approval of Christ's accomplishment: we are justified from our sins by what he did. --the sermon in Acts 13

It is the most amazing thing. Tell a friend.

--Inter

Are you saying we should not be discussing the mark of the beast? It is a very important topic. I think we should definitely be discussing it. It's going to happen, and I think it's going to happen soon - we need to be prepared.