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Featured 'The Mark of the Beast' - Jamaicans wary of new ID system

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by waves, Dec 9, 2017.

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  1. imsaneru

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    I'll stick with the middle east when looking for a mark on forehead and hand coz that's where the action is. The jewish guy on the left has Jesus fathers name written in his forehead...like hello!!!
     
  2. seventysevens

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    Chapter 7 speaks of 144000 Jews 12000 from each of 12 tribes of Israel receiving the seal -where do you get all Christians get sealed ?
     
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  3. Hank77

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    Well I can't agree with this. Most TV evangelists are dispensationalists and believe all Christians will be raptured before the time of the mark of the beast.
     
  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Those things that we have both seen and heard , these things we testify to you.

    So, do not agree UNTIL you hear it yourself from them.
    IF you want to hear it sooner, check online.
     
  5. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    All the Christians from every race, nation and language are in the holy Land; robed in white, waving palm branches and praising God. Revelation 7:9 proved by Revelation 14:1
    It is out of them that Jesus selects the 144,000, of whom only 12,000 are of Judah, Messianic Jews, the rest are from the other 11 tribes, still in exile, but now Christians.
    The 144,000 receive a special seal for their task of proclaiming the good news of the coming Kingdom to all the world. Luke 10:1-10 is the precursor to this.
    The rest of the vast multitude of faithful Christians are under God's protection as well.
     
  6. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    The text lists Only the 144000 having a seal and no mention of anyone else having a seal.
    The vast number of people from all nations are standing in front of the 24 elders at the Throne of God , so the throne of God is in heaven
    Highly respected bible scholar A.T. Robertson taught that those people were those who on a continual basis - be it natural death , killed during the Great Trib , or die in some way serving Christ during the Great Trib are coming into the presence of Gods throne in heaven all through the Great Trib , which seems more likely to me .

    There is no indication in scripture where that many people would be assembled together
    during the time of Gods wrath happening on earth, as that would be well over billions of people ....
     
  7. redleghunter

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    Seems to be a smart card with fingerprint.

    National Identification System (NIDS) – Office of the Prime Minister

    Most US States have drivers licenses with the same requirement.

    From the link provided I did not see any of the more imposing biometrics used as in Europe and other nations.
     
  8. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I didn't say they all had God's Seal. Just His protection.
    The vast multitude are in Jerusalem, on earth. Revelation 7:1-3 set an earthly scene and never changes that. The Throne of God is a Spiritual entity, and can be anywhere or everywhere that God chooses. Ezekiel 1:1 and Stephen Acts 7:56 saw it while they were on earth.

    Highly respected scholars are those to whom Jesus said: I thank You Father, for hiding these things from the learned and wise..... Matthew 11:25
     
  9. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    And you saying there are no Highly Respected people who have a vast deep understanding of Biblical studies exist ? Yet you present yourself as someone who thinks he knows more than anyone else , You cannot handle it when people disagree with you
    Seems that the scripture understanding is hidden from you
     
  10. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I am just repeating what Jesus said. Seems you can't handle the Words of Jesus.

    Personally, I claim to know nothing. What I do is point out what the Prophets have plainly and repeatedly told us about God's Plans for our future.
    Your rejection of that and belief in the theory of people going to live in heaven, that is never mentioned in the Bible, is an indictment against all who choose false beliefs.
     
  11. Another Lazarus

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    Many nations have already made a huge database for its citizens, each people are numbered and the number contain the database of each citizen, may be later this number will be stored inside a microchip to be planted under the skin, so when it is scanned, they can find out anything about people, including their bank account for payment.
     
  12. GirdYourLoins

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    I wonder if they will incorporate a phone into it. If they made it a chip that is implanted into the skin doing what a phone does snow, phone calls, messages, contactless payments, etc (it would need a separate screen of course, maybe a tablet with the chip running wifi to it). People would clamour for it and only the few would try to avoid it.
     
  13. seventysevens

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    Now just because God can put His Throne wherever he wants , does not mean he moves it anywhere -to suit human theology

    Since Jesus does not return to earth until after the Great tribulation and there are many many people dying as martyrs all through the 7 years or 3.5 years - their spirit/soul goes to heaven until Jesus comes to earth after the Great Trib
     
  14. Danthemailman

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    One interesting theory is that the mark of the beast will be a computer chip, surgically implanted under the skin, by a totalitarian government wishing to exercise total control over its citizens. "Right hand or forehead." Certain people may have been injured and lost their right hand or even their whole arm, so in that case, the mark would have to go in their forehead.

    I can see the mark being something that is scanned (just as products in a store are scanned when you purchase them - "cannot buy or sell without the mark"). Depending on how far along technology progresses by the time the mark of the beast is implemented, could be some type of computer chip or infrared tattoo or something similar. Since tattoo's have become the new norm in society these days, many unbelievers may see getting an infrared tattoo as something really cool.
     
  15. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Revelation was written 2,000 years ago.

    It states at the very beginning that these things will happen soon. End times as you believe it is not going to happen. It's all fantasy my friend. It's reading out of the scripture with the wrong mindset.

    End time prophecies these days are two a penny!
     
  16. Dave G.

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    Goatee, His time is not our time. To an eternal God 2000 years isn't even a flash of a light bulb. Meanwhile most of prophecy has been fulfilled, real lifetime events with dates attached, occurring over thousands of years, except for what remains and what remains are the final end times events. Make no mistake about it, they will happen too. But nobody can say when. What we do know is that it has not happened yet. Scripture, regardless of who is reading it, regardless of denomination or religious system, is very clear on this, it's 6th grade vocabulary, and it speaks of physical world changing events that have not occurred as yet but we absolutely are seeing some of the signs that Jesus' red letter words warn us to look out for.. He said when you see these things that the time is approaching, it is near, He said. It is not the time but it draws near.

    Meanwhile we are to live our lives and just have our hearts in a state of preparation. We need to be in a state of preparation not just because no one knows the time or hour or even day or week but because we will all die one day. And death is equally unsure as the end times timeline, I could get whacked by an 18 wheeler while pulling out of my driveway a half hour from now. And it's over. I actually know someone that happened to, instant death. never be sure there is a tomorrow, live for this day. Be ready my friend, don't delay the preparing of your heart ! Scripture also says, regardless of what some religious system might make of it, and written in plain 6th grade language, maybe even 5th grade language " absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". Are you prepared ?
     
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  17. JacksBratt

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    Almost all countries have an identification system that is necessary in order to work.. Social Insurance numbers in Canada are given to every person in order to be identified and taxed on their income. The usage of this identification is far reached as a number that identifies who you are in many legal and important situations.

    This is not the mark and no identification system should be an issue UNTIL it is a permanent mark or device that breaks the skin and is put on the hand, wrist, forearm or forehead.

    As soon as they want to break the skin, it becomes a blood covenant with Satan. Just as Jesus shed His blood, Satan will always want blood to seal the deal with his followers.

    So... is it permanent? Is it under the skin or leave an indelible mark that is easily recognized, on or near the hand or on the forehead? Does it break the skin and cause even a small amount of blood or enter into the cutaneous layer of capillaries? Is it new and necessary to work, buy, sell or travel?

    All these things SIN #'s, drivers licenses with magnetic strips, health cards, cell phones, tap and go Visa's and bank cards.....

    The are all steps. Steps toward numbing our senses to accepting the "mark" when it is finally launched.

    It will get rid of all cash. It will easily track who is working, where you go, what you buy, what you own. It will supposedly stop all black markets, criminal activity will be very difficult.

    It will be the answer that all of society has been looking for in order to solve the crime and violence problems..

    It will look great... but it will be a covenant with Satan and you will be unable to achieve salvation.

    If you are a Christian, truly, there will be enough warning signs and you will have the Holy Spirit to warn you not to take it.

    Christ has told us the no man can snatch you from His hand.
     
  18. Brian Mcnamee

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    You have hung your hat on the certainty of the interpretation that soon would mean that it would have had to happen with in a set time from near when Jesus said it. Peter speaking by the Holy Spirit of these days said 1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[fn] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

    This verse would push back the coming of the LORD also Hosea links the 2nd coming and kingdom age to the return of the sacrifice.
    4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

    Daniel gave the warning that Jesus called the abomination that makes desolate and it is when the sacrifice is taken away. Daniel wrote this when the temple had been already destroyed. Jesus points to this as a future event. So when you look through these verses the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD began the period of many days without a sacrifice that Hosea talks about. This is in line with Peter saying about the scoffers coming which is what we are hearing now. We see Israel in the land and the Temple MT being prepared for the return of the sacrifice that will be stopped by the antichrist in the middle of the 7 years. These are the very specifics of the text lining up when moral conditions are declined as the days of Noah and Sodom and geo politically a NWO is being attempted with a one world government in sight. For you to ignore these factors is incredible at this time when item specific details are lined up. If you were right these factors would never come close to being in alignment.
     
  19. Kenny'sID

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    That actually crossed my mind as I wrote.
     
  20. Riberra

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    True....however here the clear Biblical warning for all those who will be alive on the Earth during the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelation 13].Note that if you refuse to take the mark your head will be chopped off and you will probably be tortured before you head is chopped ...

    Revelation 14:9-13
    9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

    12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.


    Mark 8:35
    For whoever wants to save his life [by taking the Mark] will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of Me and the gospel will save it.

    For those who believe that there will be a removal out of the Earth before the tribulation.
    Matthew 24:13
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
     
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