The Mark Of Forgiveness.

[CherubRam]

The Mark Of Forgiveness.


The mark of forgiveness was a single charcoal line placed upon the forehead; it was given by the priest to let the people know that the person had been forgiven.

The pole Moses made to hang the serpent was not a cross either, it was a single pole. The charcoal mark is symbolic of that pole Moses made. Christ was hung on a single pole, not a cross.


Ezekiel 9:4

and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”


Ezekiel 9:6

Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.


The word for mark is Tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet.


This is the Hebrew word for cross: לַחֲצוֹת

 

[BeStill&Know]

 

[CherubRam]

Deuteronomy 21:23

you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.


1 Corinthians 1:23. NIV

23 but we preach Christ (crucified / staked out a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,


Galatians 3:13

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”


Acts 5:30

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.


Acts 10:39

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

 

[CherubRam]

Origin of the word crux. Latin for: stake, scaffold, or cross, used in executions or torment.

The English term "cross" is derived from the Latin word crux. From about 1635 to 1645 AD.


Labarum

An upright pole with cross section to display a standard such as a flag, banner, or emblem.


Word Origin

From Late Latin, and of obscure origin

This standard was known by the name "labarum"—a word the etymology of which is very uncertain. The etymology of the word is unclear. Some derive it from Latin /labāre/ "to totter, or to waver." The labarum was also used to hold the ancient Babylonian sky-god emblem.


Patibulum

It is a establish fact that the two-beamed cross was in existence in the time of Yahshua, and that the word crux was used to refer to it. The crux was composed of two main pieces: The stipes, which is the upright pole, and the patibulum attached to it. The patibulum is the cross beam.


Stipe

Stipe is an upright support.

From Latin stipes "log, post, tree trunk"


Stauros

Stauros (σταυρός) is the Greek word for stake or post.

 

[CherubRam]

Dr. Bullinger, The Companion Bible, appx. 162 states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god...It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper...The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon and upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle."

Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, pp. 197-205, frankly calls the cross "this Pagan symbol...the Tau, the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah...the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans (Babylonians) and Egyptians--the true original form of the letter T--the initial of the name of Tammus...the Babylonian cross was the recognized emblem of Tammuz."

In the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, vol. 14, p. 273, we read, "In the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner." Jacob Grimm, in his Deutsche Mythologie, says that the Teutonic (Germanic) tribes had their idol Thor, symbolised by a hammer, while the Roman Christians had their crux (cross). It was thus somewhat easier for the Teutons to accept the Roman cross.

Greek dictionaries, lexicons and other study books also declare the primary meaning of stauros to be an upright pale, pole or stake. The secondary meaning of "cross" is admitted by them to be a "later" rendering. At least two of them do not even mention "cross," and only render the meaning as "pole or stake." In spite of this strong evidence and proof that the word stauos should have been translated "stake," and the verb stauroo to have been translated "impale," almost all the common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (cross), a "later" rendering of the Greek stauros.

 

[CherubRam]

In the book of Johannes Geffcken, The Last Days of Greco-Roman Paganism. p. 319, "that even after 314 A.D. the coins of Constantine show an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god."

 

[Open Heart]

In the book of Johannes Geffcken, The Last Days of Greco-Roman Paganism. p. 319, "that even after 314 A.D. the coins of Constantine show an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god."

You are so barking up the wrong tree.

First of all, a cross is a fairly simple symbol, a bit like a circle or a square, so we shouldn't be surprised when we find it outside of Christianity.

Nor should we be surprised when we don't find it before the Crucifixion in Judaism.

The cross is a non-issue to everyone except Christians, to whom it has become a symbol of the love of Christ, who died for our sins upon a cross.
"For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." 1 Cor 2:2

 

[CherubRam]

You are so barking up the wrong tree.

First of all, a cross is a fairly simple symbol, a bit like a circle or a square, so we shouldn't be surprised when we find it outside of Christianity.

Nor should we be surprised when we don't find it before the Crucifixion in Judaism.

The cross is a non-issue to everyone except Christians, to whom it has become a symbol of the love of Christ, who died for our sins upon a cross.
"For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." 1 Cor 2:2

All the other places in the bible say "stake," or "tree," and "post."

 

[Open Heart]

All the other places in the bible say "stake," or "tree," and "post."

No, you are interpreting it to say stake. Everyone knows the shape it took. and it wasn't the shape of a line. Early Christians made the sign of the cross because that was the shape of it. They lived through the martyrdoms. It was not a crux simplex (stake).

 

[Open Heart]

All the other places in the bible say "stake," or "tree," and "post."

You are making a problem where there is none. There is nothing wrong with it being a cross.

 

[CherubRam]

No, you are interpreting it to say stake. Everyone knows the shape it took. and it wasn't the shape of a line. Early Christians made the sign of the cross because that was the shape of it. They lived through the martyrdoms. It was not a crux simplex (stake).

The original text says "tree," "stake," and "post."

 

[CherubRam]

You are making a problem where there is none. There is nothing wrong with it being a cross.

Cross is a Pagan sign, it is not Christian.

 

[Na Nach Oi!]

Some people say that the word "cross" should be translated as "stake" or "tree" instead, claiming that the shape of the instrument that Jesus was crucified upon was not cross-shaped or "cruciform." Now while the Greek word translated "cross" (i.e., σταυρός) is not fully described in the New Testament, according to ancient historians there were different "shapes" of the stakes used for crucifixion, including the crux simplex (|), the crux immissa (+), the crux commissa (T), and even stakes shaped as an X or Y. The "T" shape (commissa) was described by the historian Josephus, and is likely the form used to crucify Jesus, since the early Christians all referred to it that way. There are also ancient Greek (pre-Christian era) descriptions of crucifixion. For example Herodotus (450 BCE) wrote: "they crucified him hands and feet stretched out and nailed to cross-pieces," which suggests that the cross immissa or commisa shape was used in ancient times...

So it is likely that Yeshua was crucified on a stake made of cedar wood that was formed by attaching a crossbeam to a pole that was inserted into the ground. It is also likely that he carried only the crossbeam, or gibbet, as he walked to Golgotha to be hung up to die, since the stake would have weighed 300 pounds or so, and after brutal flogging under Roman whips it is unlikely that even the strongest of men could carry one... Moreover, the description of a Roman soldier putting a sponge on a hyssop stalk to give Yeshua a drink suggests that he was crucified on "short cross," since the stalk was usually less than two feet long. Regardless of the exact shape of the cross, however, death by crucifixion was horrifyingly shameful and unutterably painful.... but Yeshua went there for you.

Hebrew4Christians Site Updates for June, 2013

 

[CherubRam]

Some people say that the word "cross" should be translated as "stake" or "tree" instead, claiming that the shape of the instrument that Jesus was crucified upon was not cross-shaped or "cruciform." Now while the Greek word translated "cross" (i.e., σταυρός) is not fully described in the New Testament, according to ancient historians there were different "shapes" of the stakes used for crucifixion, including the crux simplex (|), the crux immissa (+), the crux commissa (T), and even stakes shaped as an X or Y. The "T" shape (commissa) was described by the historian Josephus, and is likely the form used to crucify Jesus, since the early Christians all referred to it that way. There are also ancient Greek (pre-Christian era) descriptions of crucifixion. For example Herodotus (450 BCE) wrote: "they crucified him hands and feet stretched out and nailed to cross-pieces," which suggests that the cross immissa or commisa shape was used in ancient times...

So it is likely that Yeshua was crucified on a stake made of cedar wood that was formed by attaching a crossbeam to a pole that was inserted into the ground. It is also likely that he carried only the crossbeam, or gibbet, as he walked to Golgotha to be hung up to die, since the stake would have weighed 300 pounds or so, and after brutal flogging under Roman whips it is unlikely that even the strongest of men could carry one... Moreover, the description of a Roman soldier putting a sponge on a hyssop stalk to give Yeshua a drink suggests that he was crucified on "short cross," since the stalk was usually less than two feet long. Regardless of the exact shape of the cross, however, death by crucifixion was horrifyingly shameful and unutterably painful.... but Yeshua went there for you.

Hebrew4Christians Site Updates for June, 2013

There is only one place in the scriptures that uses the word crucifix, and that is in the New Testament. A large post could be carried by a man dragging it upon the ground. Now there was a sign nailed to the top of the post, but that would not make the post a cross. The word "crucifix" does not agree with the other texts of the bible. A cross is also a Pagan sign.

 

[Open Heart]

The original text says "tree," "stake," and "post."

and cross.

 

[Open Heart]

Cross is a Pagan sign, it is not Christian.

It has been a Christian sign since the early days. You will find the cross etched in the catacombs for example. Early christians made the sign of the cross.

The earliest [known] depiction of the Christian Cross may be the Herculaneum Cross which was found in the city of Herculaneum, which was entombed in pyroclastic material along with Pompeii during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in AD 79. Christian cross - Wikipedia

From the catacombs under Rome:

 

[CherubRam]

and cross.

The New Strong's Concise Concordance & Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible states that the meaning of "stauros (4716) denotes, primarily , "an upright pale or stake." On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, "to fasten to a stake or pale," are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed "cross." The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the "cross" of Christ."(Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible, pg 75, 1999 edition)

 

[CherubRam]

"Cross" and "Crucify" are nowhere to be found in the Greek of the New Testament.

 

[visionary]

The Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church, the ancient three-part symbol

 

[Open Heart]

The New Strong's Concise Concordance & Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible states that the meaning of "stauros (4716) denotes, primarily , "an upright pale or stake."

You need to read the FULL definition supplied by Strongs, which specifically mentions cross as the definition. Why? If you read further, it goes on to say that SPECIFICALLY the Stauros is the crossbeam that the criminal carries which is nailed to the permanent vertical stake, thus forming the t-shape of the cross. And so we can conclude that Yeshua was indeed crucified on a cross, which is why it became a Christian symbol of God's love.