The Lost Month: A failure of leadership (at multiple levels)

[wing2000]

A detailed account of how our government failed in one of it's primary responsibilities: To defend the people of the United States. To this day, many communities are unable to detect the spread of the virus due to a lack of testing.

"....as the deadly virus from China spread with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels, according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe."

The Lost Month: How a Failure to Test Blinded the U.S. to Covid-19

 

[solid_core]

Well, USA are not the richest country, its 10th richest country. Countries richer than the USA:

1 Qatar
2 Luxembourg
3 Singapore
4 Ireland
5 Brunei
6 Norway
7 United Arab Emirates
8 Kuwait
9 Switzerland

But I get your point. You are rich enough to fight with the virus more than you currently do. But this is a problem of almost all countries now.

But still, its on every individual to keep social distancing and to protect himself. You can stay healthy, if you want.

 

[royal priest]

Hopefully the rest of the world will learn from this outbreak what South Korea learned from the MERS outbreak in 2015.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Americans are generally unprepared for all sorts of problems, especially financial problems. We live on the edge in many areas; financially, vocationally, health wise, in our relationships, legally, etc.

 

[rambot]

Funny thing though, you're not underprepared.

Remember? An article was shared that explicitly stated that the us was very well prepared.

Y'all suffer from ignorant, terrible leadership.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Well, USA are not the richest country, its 10th richest country. Countries richer than the USA:

1 Qatar
2 Luxembourg
3 Singapore
4 Ireland
5 Brunei
6 Norway
7 United Arab Emirates
8 Kuwait
9 Switzerland

But I get your point. You are rich enough to fight with the virus more than you currently do. But this is a problem of almost all countries now.

But still, its on every individual to keep social distancing and to protect himself. You can stay healthy, if you want.

Yes, at a certain point you have to be an adult and make decisions for yourself ( if it cost you your job so be it in some cases. This is why I (unlike many people in my state) approve of our governor's decision to allow cities and counties ( another type of local government to order shelter in place orders) First of all, that should be on the local government any now as things like that would not be felonies (unless the person for example purposefully spread it), but second at a certain point adults need to be adults and think for themselves after repeated warnings.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Funny thing though, you're not underprepared.

Remember? An article was shared that explicitly stated that the us was very well prepared.

Y'all suffer from ignorant, terrible leadership.

and people not wanting to take accountability for their own actions.

 

[rambot]

and people not wanting to take accountability for their own actions.

Yeah...as I've said before it's slowly becoming a societal problem in America.

But having a president downplay the scene for 30 days + and having 30%+ of the population ready to believe anything Trump says, is not a helpful.

To some extent, it feels a bit like America's distaste for scientific knowledge and abhorance of "the intellectual elite", is coming home to roost

 

[royal priest]

and people not wanting to take accountability for their own actions.

Absolutely
Many of us wouldn't be suffering so badly if we didn't put so much dependence on our government to take care of us. If we (the people) admit that we need to ultimately care for ourselves in these matters, then just maybe we'd be more prepared for the next big calamity. If history shows us anything, it's that God was serious when He promised frustration and sorrow to His sinning world.
Proverbs 27:12
A prudent man sees evil and hides himself, but the naive proceed and pay the penalty.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yeah...as I've said before it's slowly becoming a societal problem in America.

But having a president downplay the scene for 30 days + and having 30%+ of the population ready to believe anything Trump says, is not a helpful.

To some extent, it feels a bit like America's distaste for scientific knowledge and abhorance of "the intellectual elite", is coming home to roost

So the elite were fully prepared but were infected anyway by Trump supporters?

I love science. It's only the ToE that I have a distaste for.

 

[rambot]

Yes, at a certain point you have to be an adult and make decisions for yourself ( if it cost you your job so be it in some cases. This is why I (unlike many people in my state) approve of our governor's decision to allow cities and counties ( another type of local government to order shelter in place orders) First of all, that should be on the local government any now as things like that would not be felonies (unless the person for example purposefully spread it), but second at a certain point adults need to be adults and think for themselves after repeated warnings.

One important fact I would note; most people in Canada it seems, recognize that covid is really about protecting the most vulnerable people in a population; the old aged, sick, vulnerable. If you are not in that group it's not about protecting yourself.

And herein lies the problem with America. With abstaining from a responsibility there is usually a consequence. But for many covid provides no real convenience because they are not vulnerable.

Covid is NOT about taking PERSONAL responsibility, it's about recognizing the social responsibility you have to your fellow man.
MANY Americans feel no such obligation ever Some often feel that obligation sometime but perhaps in this instance have been convinced. I hope more Americans will learn the importance of social responsibility.

 

[hedrick]

One important fact I would note; most people in Canada it seems, recognize that covid is really about protecting the most vulnerable people in a population; the old aged, sick, vulnerable. If you are not in that group it's not about protecting yourself.

And herein lies the problem with America. With abstaining from a responsibility there is usually a consequence. But for many covid provides no real convenience because they are not vulnerable.

Covid is NOT about taking PERSONAL responsibility, it's about recognizing the social responsibility you have to your fellow man.
MANY Americans feel no such obligation ever Some often feel that obligation sometime but perhaps in this instance have been convinced. I hope more Americans will learn the importance of social responsibility.

There’s too much emphasis on elderly. The crisis is about hospital capacity. Younger adults are hospitalized almost as much as older ones. It’s the death rate that’s different.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

One important fact I would note; most people in Canada it seems, recognize that covid is really about protecting the most vulnerable people in a population; the old aged, sick, vulnerable. If you are not in that group it's not about protecting yourself.

And herein lies the problem with America. With abstaining from a responsibility there is usually a consequence. But for many covid provides no real convenience because they are not vulnerable.

Covid is NOT about taking PERSONAL responsibility, it's about recognizing the social responsibility you have to your fellow man.
MANY Americans feel no such obligation ever Some often feel that obligation sometime but perhaps in this instance have been convinced. I hope more Americans will learn the importance of social responsibility.

Let's see how many buy government bonds to fund the stimulus. There is already a run on banks for cash. I will leave my deposits in place however as it will be needed to keep banks solvent.

 

[dogs4thewin]

One important fact I would note; most people in Canada it seems, recognize that covid is really about protecting the most vulnerable people in a population; the old aged, sick, vulnerable. If you are not in that group it's not about protecting yourself.

And herein lies the problem with America. With abstaining from a responsibility there is usually a consequence. But for many covid provides no real convenience because they are not vulnerable.

Covid is NOT about taking PERSONAL responsibility, it's about recognizing the social responsibility you have to your fellow man.
MANY Americans feel no such obligation ever Some often feel that obligation sometime but perhaps in this instance have been convinced. I hope more Americans will learn the importance of social responsibility.

Really depends on the situation. That is true in this type of situation, but in most cases it should not be on me to help you protect yourself ( at least not in a legal forced sense. I know for example we live right across the road from my grandparents, yet have seen very little of them in the past three weeks my mom and/or sister have dropped some things at their house and left. Grandfather has come to barrow a few things and left soon after. Why? because both sides realize they are in their eighties and therefore at higher risks.

 

[royal priest]

One important fact I would note; most people in Canada it seems, recognize that covid is really about protecting the most vulnerable people in a population; the old aged, sick, vulnerable. If you are not in that group it's not about protecting yourself.

And herein lies the problem with America. With abstaining from a responsibility there is usually a consequence. But for many covid provides no real convenience because they are not vulnerable.

Covid is NOT about taking PERSONAL responsibility, it's about recognizing the social responsibility you have to your fellow man.
MANY Americans feel no such obligation ever Some often feel that obligation sometime but perhaps in this instance have been convinced. I hope more Americans will learn the importance of social responsibility.

I think the whole world is being reminded of this responsibility. But not only of our duty to provide physically, but moreso of the church's duty to provide for the needs of the spiritually, and morally vulnerable. So many people are scared and confused because they are not trusting God. Far worse than becoming sick and/or dying is doing so without the hope of the Gospel.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Absolutely
Many of us wouldn't be suffering so badly if we didn't put so much dependence on our government to take care of us. If we (the people) admit that we need to ultimately care for ourselves in these matters, then just maybe we'd be more prepared for the next big calamity. If history shows us anything, it's that God was serious when He promised frustration and sorrow to His sinning world.
Proverbs 27:12
A prudent man sees evil and hides himself, but the naive proceed and pay the penalty.

At the same time there is nothing wrong with taking government assistance if you need it, however do not abuse it, but that is a topic for another thread.

 

[dogs4thewin]

There’s too much emphasis on elderly. The crisis is about hospital capacity. Younger adults are hospitalized almost as much as older ones. It’s the death rate that’s different.

While younger healthy adults can get it it is also important to realize that not all younger adults are as healthy as they look. They can have conditions that put them at higher risks, and unless you know a particular young adult very well ( to the point of knowing their personal and family health history you do not realize which younger adults may actually be high risk despite their age.

 

[rambot]

Let's see how many buy government bonds to fund the stimulus. There is already a run on banks for cash. I will leave my deposits in place however as it will be needed to keep banks solvent.

Yeah. Those poor banks sure have been struggling for the last...century.

I mean, heaven forbid they be managed cautiously and appropriately.

 

[rambot]

So the elite were fully prepared but were infected anyway by Trump supporters?

So's law AND strawman in one sentence.

I love science. It's only the ToE that I have a distaste for.

What are your thought about what pandemic and medical experts were telling Trump for almost 2 months?

 

[rambot]

Really depends on the situation. That is true in this type of situation, but in most cases it should not be on me to help you protect yourself ( at least not in a legal forced sense. I know for example we live right across the road from my grandparents, yet have seen very little of them in the past three weeks my mom and/or sister have dropped some things at their house and left. Grandfather has come to barrow a few things and left soon after. Why? because both sides realize they are in their eighties and therefore at higher risks.

See and that's funny to me dogs4thewin. I think the issue for me is viewing any kind of help for another person as an OBLIGATION instead of having a desire to help. I happily help folks if they need it, at least as much as I can.