"The letter of "reprimand" that Saint Porphyrios sent to Elder Paisios is misinformation"

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"The letter of "reprimand" that Saint Porphyrios sent to Elder Paisios is misinformation" is the title of a YouTube video of an audio recording of a conversation between a radio show host and Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou.

In the online article by John Sanidopoulis entitled “Controversial End Time Prophecies by Holy Elders”, mention is made of a retraction by Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou of a statement he’d made 20 years earlier during a public broadcast, with regards to an alleged “letter” of reprimand from St. Porphyrios to St. Paisios, (due to the latter’s concerns about addressing and speaking about “end times” matters with people). This retraction was recorded as a radio interview, but there had been no subtitles in English available in any of the online offerings. Thus, I was able to get it transcribed in English for anyone who may be interested in knowing what the Metropolitan says in his retraction. The conversation went as follows:

Bishop: On occasion of the nice show we are

doing, I want to tell you something that you

might not know. We have benefited people my

dear Cleito.

Cleitos: I hope so.

Bishop: But we have scandalized some people,

you know, and I want to tell you an incident; I

think, in the year two thousand; I was then a

young bishop and you were even younger.

Cleitos : 14 years ago.

Bishop: 14 years ago, we did a show again

about the holy fathers and in fact it was about

the three, Porphyrios, Iakovos and Eumenius,

the three I got to know the most.

Cleitos: yes, yes, yes.

Bishop: At one point in our talk, because there

was then in Cyprus a widespread prophecy

that there will be a war in Cyprus, that there will

be a disaster in Cyprus in the year 2000, it was

the millennium then, do you remember then?

Cleitos: yes, yes, yes.

Bishop: The completion of the second

millennium of Christ. The world reached the

peak of its anxiety as it happens at every

completion of a millennium, and therefore

various people began to prophesize either true

or half-truths; half-truths means half-lies.

Cleitos: Scaremongering.

Bishop: Scaremongering. In my attempt, a new

bishop at the time, to stop this terrorism, I

remember I said something, for which I need to

publicly apologize, now that I'm speaking

publicly, since I said it publicly then. I said

something, which is now on the Internet, you

know; they have found our show that we did

back then.

Cleitos: Yes.

Bishop: And they have posted it, only that

fragment is heard; your voice and mine, you

asking me and I answer and roughly say the

following. And I need to apologize and you

should use your judgement and intelligence.

Cleitos: Let me find it and listen to it.

Bishop: Yes. On the Internet it appears as: "the

reprimand Elder Porphyrios issued on Elder

Paisios" why? Because I misrepresented, for

that I apologize deeply, publicly. I conveyed the

revelation of a saintly monk who visited me

before I became a bishop in Mavrovouni, in the

monastery where I was a monk, and it was

then that the Saint Paisios of blessed memory

wrote about 666, about the antichrist about the

card...

Cleitos: Yes, yes.

Bishop: ...the identity card and by the grace of

God, this holy man, God enlightened him, to

put these in writing so that there is no doubt

that they are not his. I say to this monk from

Mount Athos: "but what are the things that

Elder Paisios writes? "This monk is a good

man. He says to me, you know, Elder

Porphyrios does not agree with these and he

supposedly sent Elder Paisios a letter, in which

he wrote: “Elder Paisios, you should stop

prophesizing and I reprimand you because, I

am also a priest, and these things are of no

use and you should not tell them to people”.

That's what I told you back then, now you

know, the demons have gone mad at the glory

of Paisios and because Elder Paisios is

confirmed in many things he said since 1980 all

the way to the day he died and some blogs on

the Internet, that then when we did this show,

there was no Internet, have made it their goal

to demystify Elder Paisios, maybe other Elders

too… and they found this speech.... we sent a

message that this was not our talk, it was

someone else's. I checked and Elder

Porphyrios never spoke like that about Elder

Paisios.

On the contrary, each honored the holiness of

the other. Sometimes Elder Paisios would say

with his good sense of humor, what are you

guys from Athens coming to me, I have a black

and white TV, you have Porphyrios who has a

color one.

Cleitos: Yes, and he showed his humility and

recognition.

Bishop: We also investigated with the people of

the hermitage with whom I have excellent

relations, as you know, in Milesi if there ever

was such a letter from Elder Porphyrios to

Elder Paisios. There never was such a letter.

So it is my duty as a responsible bishop who

honors and respects and is grateful to the

memory of the holy Elders Paisios and

Porphyrios to apologize for this

misunderstanding that occurred.
 
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This supposed conflict between the two saints has always looked so absurd, as if St. Porphyrios would ever say something like, "God didn't show ME that, so it can't be true!"
true, but I think in general that’s not unheard of. St Paisios bought the nonsense folks were saying about St Joseph the hesychast (and to his great regret, he didn’t meet him)
 
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What is the source for this talk?

This supposed conflict between the two saints has always looked so absurd, as if St. Porphyrios would ever say something like, "God didn't show ME that, so it can't be true!"
The audio segment was clipped from a radio show during which Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou had responded against a tendency of some to discredit St. Paisios' warnings about the end times, on the basis that St. Porphyrios did not agree that Paisios ought have been talking about such things. Something that the metropolitan had said during a public show years earlier, about an alledged letter of reprimand from Porphyrios to Paisios, had given people reason to doubt the holiness of the elder Paisios and the legitimacy of his end times warnings. The following links are two examples of articles which teach that Paisios' end time warnings ought to be disregarded/ignored:



The was also at one time a short video about the elders that pretty much stated the same thing as these articles. However, it has since been removed from the internet, and this, according to a news cast I once saw, was because of the public outrage over this video for its disrespect to the memory of the holy elder Paisios.
 
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