The Law of God vs the Law of Moses

[guevaraj]

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST, and NOT by the works of the LAW: FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

Brother, Paul is trying to explain how Jesus changed our relationship to the law. If it were possible to remove the law, Jesus did not have to die. The Law without the death of Jesus does not allow a sinner to come out of his sin. Jesus' death made it possible for a sinner to grow out of his sin to obey the law through Jesus' ministry as our High Priest. The law became a promise of fulfillment rather than a condemnation.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. (Hebrews 7:25-28 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, Paul is trying to explain how Jesus changed our relationship to the law. If it were possible to remove the law, Jesus did not have to die. The Law without the death of Jesus does not allow a sinner to come out of his sin. Jesus' death made it possible for a sinner to grow out of his sin to obey the law through Jesus' ministry as our High Priest. The law became a promise of fulfillment rather than a condemnation.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. (Hebrews 7:25-28 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Galatians 2:15
..... for by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified.

Since it is a fact that it is impossible to be justified by keeping of the Mosaical law.

Therefore if we do not keep it, we cannot lose our salvation.

If you then bind what cannot save. You become a debtor to it. And must keep it perfectly.

Which no man can do.

 

[guevaraj]

Therefore if we do not keep it, we cannot lose our salvation.

Brother, Paul is speaking too strongly for those who are against the law when he corrects those who think the law will save them. Peter warns against misinterpreting Paul as separating Jesus from the law. Too strong is Paul's language for some audiences that did not exist. At the time that Paul wrote these words, all of Jesus' followers obeyed the law and no one separated Jesus from the law to misinterpret Paul's strong corrective language about thinking that the law saves you.

But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. (2 Peter 3:13-17 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, Paul is speaking too strongly for those who are against the law when he corrects those who think the law will save them. Peter warns against misinterpreting Paul as separating Jesus from the law. Too strong is Paul's language for some audiences that did not exist. At the time that Paul wrote these words, all of Jesus' followers obeyed the law and no one separated Jesus from the law to misinterpret Paul's strong corrective language about thinking that the law saves you.

But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. (2 Peter 3:13-17 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Nothing you said changes what Paul said about the law of Moses,

Galatians 2:16
....for by the works of the law shall NO flesh be justified.

The law of Moses cannot save jew or gentile.

Paul teaches only the new law of Christ can save.

Therefore NOT keeping the old law cannot cause one to be lost.

Only not keeping the law of Christ can both jew and gentile lose their salvation.

Therefore the old law is of no effect.

The new law of Christ is now in effect,

Hebrews 9:14; 16-17
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS to serve the living God?

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10:9-10
Then said He, Lo , I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, that He may ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

By the which WILL WE ARE SANCTIFIED through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Not only will we not lose our salvation in Christ if we do not follow the old law.

Christ new law has taken away the old.

Only by Christ's will are we sanctified both jew and gentile.

This excludes the law of Moses completely. It does not sanctify. It does not justify. Therefore it cannot cause one to lose salvation if it is not kept.

All that it can do now is put us under bondage of keeping laws and ordinances that not only cannot remove sin but seperate us from Christ.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and be NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law ; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Paul gives two choices.
1.) Serve Jesus and keep His new will and testament and be blessed with gods free gift of Grace.

Or

2.) Go back into bondage and be separated from Jesus and His saving grace.

It is either saved by the old law through perfect law keeping.

Or Be saved by Gods grace through the new law of Christ.

That is what brother Paul teaches.

 

[guevaraj]

Nothing you said changes what Paul said about the law of Moses

Brother, humans have assumed that Jesus' new law supersedes the old ten commandments, when Jesus added to what He gave us before with His own finger and took nothing away, as He tells us below. He expects are glory "surpasses" that of the Pharisees ten commandments, fulfilling more than the ten commandments and no less than the ten commandments.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

"Surpasses" means more and nothing less than the ten commandments. What did Paul say he accomplished as a Pharisee?

as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. (Philippians 3:6 NIV)​

The only way to achieve a "surpassing glory" than the old "glory" of the ten commandments written in stone by Jesus before the incarnation is to obey more laws and no fewer laws than Paul had in the old covenant. The new commandment of Jesus adds to the old commandments and does not replace the old commandments. It is humans who want to do less, when Jesus expects more from us.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, humans have assumed that Jesus' new law supersedes the old ten commandments, when Jesus added to what He gave us before with His own finger and took nothing away, as He tells us below. He expects are glory "surpasses" that of the Pharisees ten commandments, fulfilling more than the ten commandments and no less than the ten commandments.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

"Surpasses" means more and nothing less than the ten commandments. What did Paul say he accomplished as a Pharisee?

as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. (Philippians 3:6 NIV)​

The only way to achieve a "surpassing glory" than the old "glory" of the ten commandments written in stone by Jesus before the incarnation is to obey more laws and no fewer laws than Paul had in the old covenant. The new commandment of Jesus adds to the old commandments and does not replace the old commandments. It is humans who want to do less, when Jesus expects more from us.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Matthew 5:17-20
You should take some time and study the word fulfil.

In this context it means COMPLETE.

Jesus completed the law of Moses. Therefore your idea that it is somehow changed today cannot be so. For Christ has brought it into COMPLETION.

When you complete something, NO ALTERATION OF IT TAKES PLACE. It is done, fulfilled, completed.

Also you seem to ignore passages that don't fit your interpretation of the beginning and completion of the two covenants.

Like the fact that Paul taught the old law of Moses cannot sanctify or justify anyone. So it is non essential for both jew and gentile. If the ten commandments are binding on Christians today Paul said they cannot justify or sanctify for they are part of the old law,

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS ETC.) FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

Paul goes even further to condemn those who try to keep it. You are under bondage severed from Christ without His grace. Without hope.

To say Paul never taught christians to no longer keep the old law is calling Paul a liar.

 

[Titus Dorn]

Also never accuse me of "assuming" what Gods holy word teaches.

It is a sin to make assumptions on what the scriptures teach. We must know what God is teaching us. Not by private interpretation but by the Bible interpreting itself.

2Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, humans have assumed that Jesus' new law supersedes the old ten commandments, when Jesus added to what He gave us before with His own finger and took nothing away, as He tells us below. He expects are glory "surpasses" that of the Pharisees ten commandments, fulfilling more than the ten commandments and no less than the ten commandments.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

"Surpasses" means more and nothing less than the ten commandments. What did Paul say he accomplished as a Pharisee?

as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless. (Philippians 3:6 NIV)​

The only way to achieve a "surpassing glory" than the old "glory" of the ten commandments written in stone by Jesus before the incarnation is to obey more laws and no fewer laws than Paul had in the old covenant. The new commandment of Jesus adds to the old commandments and does not replace the old commandments. It is humans who want to do less, when Jesus expects more from us.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Matthew 5:17-20
Think not that I come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULLFIL(Accomplish, Complete)

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be FULFILLED (Accomplished)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the KINGDOM of heaven.

Now when does God tell us Christ will fullfil the Mosaical law? When will Christ Accomplish its completion?

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

BUT AFTER THAT FAITH IS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Now you know the answer to Matthew 5:17-20

Christ fullfilled, He accomplished, He completed the old law of Moses when He established His new will and testament when He died on the cross. Once the gospel of Christ came into effect. Faith in His gospel vanished away the law of Moses.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth(FAITH).

 

[guevaraj]

Christ fullfilled, He accomplished, He completed the old law of Moses when He established His new will and testament when He died on the cross. Once the gospel of Christ came into effect. Faith in His gospel vanished away the law of Moses.

Brother, the cross is not the end of our obedience to the law, but the beginning of our path to obey the law carried out by the ministry of Jesus as our High Priest. You have simplified God's plan with your focus on the cross. Jesus died to save the law, so it would not be necessary to remove the law to save us. We can return to obedience to the law when Jesus creates us anew, removing the punishment for past sins from us by taking them upon himself as our creator and ultimately responsible for our actions.

For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago. (Ephesians 2:10 NIV)​

The purpose is given in the verse above: so we can do the good things He planned for us "long ago". Long ago, God planned for us the seventh day of creation to remember His "holy" day. Do you remember "the Lord's day" in gratitude for His salvation as the early church did?

I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” (Revelation 1:9-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, the cross is not the end of our obedience to the law, but the beginning of our path to obey the law carried out by the ministry of Jesus as our High Priest. You have simplified God's plan with your focus on the cross. Jesus died to save the law, so it would not be necessary to remove the law to save us. We can return to obedience to the law when Jesus creates us anew, removing the punishment for past sins from us by taking them upon himself as our creator and ultimately responsible for our actions.

For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago. (Ephesians 2:10 NIV)​

The purpose is given in the verse above: so we can do the good things He planned for us "long ago". Long ago, God planned for us the seventh day of creation to remember His "holy" day. Do you remember "the Lord's day" in gratitude for His salvation as the early church did?

I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” (Revelation 1:9-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Wrong again,

You do not allow the scriptures to interpret themselves.

You take your preconceived doctrinal beliefs and then with your SDA glasses on you read the text.

You are shaping scripture with your preconceived personal doctrinal beliefs.

Instead of allowing the scriptures to shape and form your beliefs.

Gods word states as fact that Christ ended the law of Moses on the cross.

I believe what God teaches. You do not. It is that simple.

Matthew 5:17-20 ; Galatians 3:24-25 Romans 10:4
For Christ is the END of the law for Righteousness to everyone that believes(Faith).

I sure did simplify it. By that I mean I made sense of the new testament. I taught the true gospel I find in the new testament. When the truth is taught it is easy to understand. The truth brings clarity to Gods teaching.

Unlike the mess the SDA have created with their confusion on covenants. Your doctrines contradict scripture with scripture. It is illogical confusing private interpretation of man.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY WORKS OF THE LAW: for by the works of the law SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

 

[guevaraj]

I believe what God teaches. You do not. It is that simple.

Brother, the sin revealed by the law before Jesus is still sin after Jesus, you are not using all the scriptures. The shadows before Jesus helped us understand how Jesus' ministry as our High Priest separates sin from us. We still have to turn to Jesus for forgiveness repeatedly, even though He does not die again to forgive us again like the death of so many animals before Jesus. We do not automatically receive forgiveness on the cross, we are forgiven when we turn to Jesus as our High Priest to "intercede" for us. Repeated is this process until separated is sin from our character. This process after Jesus is faster and eternal compared to animal sacrifices that clearly showed the repetition until removed is all sin from us.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. (Hebrews 7:25-28 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, the sin revealed by the law before Jesus is still sin after Jesus, you are not using all the scriptures. The shadows before Jesus helped us understand how Jesus' ministry as our High Priest separates sin from us. We still have to turn to Jesus for forgiveness repeatedly, even though He does not die again to forgive us again like the death of so many animals before Jesus. We do not automatically receive forgiveness on the cross, we are forgiven when we turn to Jesus as our High Priest to "intercede" for us. Repeated is this process until separated is sin from our character. This process after Jesus is faster and eternal compared to animal sacrifices that clearly showed the repetition until removed is all sin from us.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. (Hebrews 7:25-28 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

What part of end do you not understand?

Matthew 5:17-20 =-Galatians 3:24-25 = Romans 10:4 KJV

Paul has already told you, you are fallen from grace, severed from Christ, entangled with a yoke of bondage.

If you wont believe Paul then I know you wont believe me.

I am not interested in your misinterpretation of scripture. Dont bother me again!

Galatians 2:16 KJV

Galatians 5:1-12 KJV

Galatians 5:12 KJV
I would THEY were even CUT OFF WHICH TROUBLE YOU(Paul is speaking of Jewish converts who are trying to bind the law of Moses on Christians )

Now leave me alone!

 

[guevaraj]

What part of end do you not understand?

Brother, the word "end" can mean more than one thing in that context. What we know is that Paul can not contradict Jesus. Jesus tells us: not to think that he come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. This "end" must than not mean abolish and must than mean fulfill. Jesus is the "culmination" of the law, the best example to follow someone who obeys the law.

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:1-4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, the word "end" can mean more than one thing in that context. What we know is that Paul can not contradict Jesus. Jesus tells us: not to think that he come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. This "end" must than not mean abolish and must than mean fulfill. Jesus is the "culmination" of the law, the best example to follow someone who obeys the law.

Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:1-4 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said to them, You do error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.

 

[guevaraj]

Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said to them, You do error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.

Brother, so true! My church assumes that the Sabbath is Saturday when in Israel the Sabbath falls between two days of the week, between Friday and Saturday. They have not understood in the scriptures that the first day is from morning to morning as defined it is in Genesis. In the case of the first day from first light until light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus.

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, so true! My church assumes that the Sabbath is Saturday when in Israel the Sabbath falls between two days of the week, between Friday and Saturday. They have not understood in the scriptures that the first day is from morning to morning as defined it is in Genesis. In the case of the first day from first light until light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus.

Again you do not know the word of God.
Acts 20:7

Give book chapter and verse that commands christians under Jesus' covenant to keep the Jewish calendar.

 

[guevaraj]

Again you do not know the word of God.
Acts 20:7

Brother, did you know that Sunday is not anywhere in the Bible? Everywhere in the Bible where translated is Sunday, it actually says "the first of the Sabbaths". A phrase of God not understood and the best assumption that occurred to them was Sunday. Knowing what I know about the Sabbath, I understand that God's phrase refers to the first Sabbath in Eden or another way in which God say the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Here is a closer translation of God's phrase from the Good News Bible.

On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day. (Acts 20:7 GNB)​

Give book chapter and verse that commands christians under Jesus' covenant to keep the Jewish calendar.

How about this one: book: Matthew, chapter: 5, verses: 17-20.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, did you know that Sunday is not anywhere in the Bible? Everywhere in the Bible where translated is Sunday, it actually says "the first of the Sabbaths". A phrase of God not understood and the best assumption that occurred to them was Sunday. Knowing what I know about the Sabbath, I understand that God's phrase refers to the first Sabbath in Eden or another way in which God say the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Here is a closer translation of God's phrase from the Good News Bible.

On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day. (Acts 20:7 GNB)​

How about this one: book: Matthew, chapter: 5, verses: 17-20.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

O now your going to translate Acts 20: 7 for me.

I guess first day of the week does not mean first day of the week.

I am starting to understand why you believe the way you do.

 

[Titus Dorn]

Brother, did you know that Sunday is not anywhere in the Bible? Everywhere in the Bible where translated is Sunday, it actually says "the first of the Sabbaths". A phrase of God not understood and the best assumption that occurred to them was Sunday. Knowing what I know about the Sabbath, I understand that God's phrase refers to the first Sabbath in Eden or another way in which God say the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Here is a closer translation of God's phrase from the Good News Bible.

On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day. (Acts 20:7 GNB)​

How about this one: book: Matthew, chapter: 5, verses: 17-20.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Also thanks for posting alot so others might not see the truth on the old law ending. And for ignoring my request to be left alone.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, so true! My church assumes that the Sabbath is Saturday when in Israel the Sabbath falls between two days of the week, between Friday and Saturday. They have not understood in the scriptures that the first day is from morning to morning as defined it is in Genesis. In the case of the first day from first light until light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus.

SDA's believe in the biblical Sabbath that it starts from Friday sundown and ends Saturday sundown. This is our belief in the Sabbath:


The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

Why would you want to be part of a church you claim does not understand scripture? I certainly would not want to be. I know you said previously you do not attend the SDA church or have a pastor. Maybe general Christianity would be a better title so others are not confused when you start sharing beliefs that are outside the SDA church.