LDS The Law of Consecration

[Ironhold]

Yes. I don't understand how posting a ceremony is violating this concept.

The temple ceremonies are regarded as sacred, and so we'd prefer that people not hold them up for mockery & ridicule.

As such, what Steve did is akin to someone setting up a less-than-appropriate musical review in the middle of a church.

 

[Ironhold]

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[mmksparbud]

Drstevej is well aware LDS consider posting such videos to be highly offensive. I wouldn't (for example) ever post of video of SDA foot washing ceremony on here, because I know SDA perfer that not done and I work in charity as Christ commands.

Foot washing ceremony is not secret. It is private only because we take our hose, stockings off--but not always, esp. with pantyhose and they dry very quickly. Private may be a preference, but if the the participants agree, that is another matter. It's just that most people do not like being on camera. I don't. Private and secret are 2 different things.

 

[mmksparbud]

The temple ceremonies are regarded as sacred, and so we'd prefer that people not hold them up for mockery & ridicule.

As such, what Steve did is akin to someone setting up a less-than-appropriate musical review in the middle of a church.

It is still difficult to understand. Catholics hold the Mass as very sacred--they televise it. Baptisms are held as sacred by every church and are often televised. If someone mocks and ridicules a sacred ceremony---that is on them. Even Buddhist and Hindu ceremonies have been videoed---just about every sacred ritual anywhere has---why should yours be different?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Foot washing ceremony is not secret. It is private only because we take our hose, stockings off--but not always, esp. with pantyhose and they dry very quickly. Private may be a preference, but if the the participants agree, that is another matter. It's just that most people do not like being on camera. I don't. Private and secret are 2 different things.

Privacy is being rampantly violated here.

These videos are taken expressly violating people's wishes with secret cameras. Like I said, I would never ever post such a video of SDA foot washing (or anything else like that).

 

[withwonderingawe]

• In the temple the Mormon covenants and promises "before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."
  
  
• Then it is a question of how much time an individual may reserve for his family.

Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour /family as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Your first love must be Jesus Christ and as he is the head of the church that is what you are doing as you give your time, talents and everything the Lord has give you. One of the things the Lord has given you is your family, your closest neighbors. The children God gives you are his children by serving them you are serving God. It's all part of one and the same thing!

 

[Rescued One]

Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour /family as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Your first love must be Jesus Christ and as he is the head of the church that is what you are doing as you give your time, talents and everything the Lord has give you. One of the things the Lord has given you is your family, your closest neighbors. The children God gives you are his children by serving them you are serving God. It's all part of one and the same thing!

Nevertheless, I was in a non-Christian religion and the Lord brought me out!

Proverbs 3
5 ¶ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

We should follow God, not Joseph Smith.


Mormon bishops don't ask you if you have some extra time to do more for their church and why should they ask members to teach what they don't believe? That calling isn't inspired by God.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Sigh, we've been over this many times...

Nevertheless, I was in a non-Christian religion and the Lord brought me out!

And I can find many people who converted to the "Jesus Christ lead me our of wayward Protestantism into His True Church: the Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints".

Proverbs 3
5 ¶ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

And they quote that exact same scripture.

We should follow God, not Joseph Smith.

I follow God, not John Calvin.

Mormon bishops don't ask you if you have some extra time to do more for their church and why should they ask members to teach what they don't believe? That calling isn't inspired by God.

I have a Methodist friend who really struggles with Methodists beliefs. She is also the Sunday School teacher. She is routinely asked to teach lessons about stuff she personally has no convection of.
Does this conversation has a point?

 

[Rescued One]

I follow God, not John Calvin.

I don't follow Calvin. I haven't even studied his writings. The Bible is more important than anything man can say.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I don't follow Calvin. I haven't even studied his writings. The Bible is more important than anything man can say.

I didn't say specifically that you specifically follow Calvin. I'm illustrating out the pointlessness of the statements made in post #27.

Catholic says: I don't follow the Pope, I follow God.
SDA says: I don't follow the Ellen White, I follow God.
Calvinist says: I don't follow the Calvin, I follow God.
Evangelical says: I don't follow the Billy Graham, I follow God.
Etc.

 

[Rescued One]

I didn't say specifically that you specifically follow Calvin. I'm illustrating out the pointlessness of the statements made in post #27.

Catholic says: I don't follow the Pope, I follow God.
SDA says: I don't follow the Ellen White, I follow God.
Calvinist says: I don't follow the Calvin, I follow God.
Evangelical says: I don't follow the Billy Graham, I follow God.
Etc.

I've never seen any of those statements here. A Mormon says:

Doctrine and Covenants 1
30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually—

 

[Jane_Doe]

I've never seen any of those statements here.

Do you not speak with Catholics, Evangelicals, Calvinists, SDA, or other types of Christians?

 

[Rescued One]

Do you not speak with Catholics, Evangelicals, Calvinists, SDA, or other types of Christians?

I've posted to several threads at CF.

 

[Rescued One]

I have a Methodist friend who really struggles with Methodists beliefs. She is also the Sunday School teacher. She is routinely asked to teach lessons about stuff she personally has no convection of.
Does this conversation has a point?

She doesn't belong in that church if she doesn't believe what they teach. Shame on her!

 

[Jane_Doe]

She doesn't belong in that church if she doesn't believe what they teach. Shame on her!

You would have her just leave because of her doubts?

Maybe relevant fact: She's the only youth Sunday School teacher they have (small church). If she leaves, the youth program dissolves. Do you call her working so that the youth do have a teacher and program "shameful"?

 

[Rescued One]

You would have her just leave because of her doubts?

Maybe relevant fact: She's the only youth Sunday School teacher they have (small church). If she leaves, the youth program dissolves. Do you call her working so that the youth do have a teacher and program "shameful"?

It is very, very shameful to teach false doctrine. It is hypocritical to ignore the Holy Spirit when teaching others. If the youth program dissolves, the youth can go to another church. If that's not an option, she can invite them to her home.

 

[fatboys]

It is very, very shameful to teach false doctrine. It is hypocritical to ignore the Holy Spirit when teaching others. If the youth programs dissolves, the youth can go to another church. If that's not an option, she can invite them to her home.

She didn't say they were false just that she did t believe them

 

[Jane_Doe]

It is very, very shameful to teach false doctrine.

She's teaching Methodist doctrines. Do you find Methodist doctrine to be "false" and "shameful" to teach?

It is hypocritical to ignore the Holy Spirit when teaching others.

Who said anything about ignoring?

 

[Rescued One]

She didn't say they were false just that she did t believe them

She didn't say they were true. If you don't believe something is true, you shouldn't teach it to others!

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Drstevej is well aware LDS consider posting such videos to be highly offensive. I wouldn't (for example) ever post of video of SDA foot washing ceremony on here, because I know SDA perfer that not done and I work in charity as Christ commands.

From a Christian perspective it really doesn't matter if those who are trapped in a false religion consider it "offensive" when a certain part of their religion is brought up that they don't want to talk about.

If any mormon doesn't want to talk about anything in the temple then he or she shouldn't. However, Ironhold decided to engage in a discussion about the temple by denying that Phoebe accurately depicted a covenant from the Temple and claiming she had no "proof".

Once the proof was provided now he (and you) want to hide behind some assertion that such things are offensive for you to talk about. But you already are talking about it. If you don't want to, then don't. But don't talk about it and then when responded to try to hide behind the notion that you take offense to talking about it - you can't have it both ways.