The latest study on covid deaths

[Arc F1]

it's from the CDC it shows the excess deaths this year, it's far more trustworthy then someones opinion piece.

It wasn't an opinion piece. Why do you see the cdc as being more credible than the people at John Hopkins?

‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

 

[chad kincham]

we already debunked this nonsense above showing they are. repeating the lie just makes you look foolish.

You think he’s the only doctor telling the Truth?

You can use the, it’s been debunked, claim all day long.

There are a ton of fake fact checkers out there now, it an obvious fake news tactic.

Put your brain in gear.

It’s an undeniable fact that the recovery rate for COVID is 99%, a fact that it doesn’t kill healthy children or even make them very sick, and 80% of adults don’t even know they have it since the symptoms are so mild - then you fall for fake statistics of the number of deaths?

 

[chad kincham]

Former Pfizer science officer reveals COVID19 scam:

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

It’s an undeniable fact that the recovery rate for COVID is 99%, a fact that it doesn’t kill healthy children or even make them very sick, and 80% of adults don’t even know they have it since the symptoms are so mild

Just going by these statistics even that 1% being a collective fatality rate with way less on young and way more on elderly if allowed to spread freely on the whole US population without any controls or vaccine that’s is still
30 million people who by your account wouldn’t recover from Covid.

And yes it is a theoretical number and not everyone would get affected but 1% is still huge on national and global scale.

For comparison your chances of dying in terrorist attack are around one in 470000

The Mathematical Probability Of Dying From A Terrorist Attack In The US

and US still uses insane amounts of money for counter terrorism.

Your individual chances for getting over Covid are good but some people catch the bad odds.

Should we just shrug our shoulders and claim it is unfortunate for those people(of which you or your loved ones might still be included) or work to decrease the risk for everyone ?

Most people are aware of the side effects mentioned here in people’s economical, psychological and religious condition which is why it is a balancing act.

If you are able to follow advice on working from home, wearing mask on public transport and washing your hands then perhaps you should do so.

If you have damaged lungs, a work that requires your physical presence or you risk not getting money to feed your kids or you feel a religious dread that you are going to hell for missing few months of church attendance then perhaps you shouldn’t follow the recommendations because clearly for you the side effects are worse than the chances of dying from the virus.

Frankly if people just used bit of common sense we would get over this much sooner.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Former Pfizer science officer reveals COVID19 scam:

YouTuber with 22 followers has discovered the global conspiracy. Hurrah.

How did you fact check this momentous discovery ?

 

[chad kincham]

Chart showing total numbers of USA deaths, note that doctors are saying the slight increase is due to people not going to the doctor out of fear, and dying from non COVID causes:

Here is a picture showing today’s results for total mortality in the US – not the results show mortality is approximately as expected and comparable to prior years:

 

[chad kincham]

Just going by these statistics even that 1% being a collective fatality rate with way less on young and way more on elderly if allowed to spread freely on the whole US population without any controls or vaccine that’s is still
30 million people who by your account wouldn’t recover from Covid.

And yes it is a theoretical number and not everyone would get affected but 1% is still huge on national and global scale.

For comparison your chances of dying in terrorist attack are around one in 470000

The Mathematical Probability Of Dying From A Terrorist Attack In The US

and US still uses insane amounts of money for counter terrorism.

Your individual chances for getting over Covid are good but some people catch the bad odds.

Should we just shrug our shoulders and claim it is unfortunate for those people(of which you or your loved ones might still be included) or work to decrease the risk for everyone ?

Most people are aware of the side effects mentioned here in people’s economical, psychological and religious condition which is why it is a balancing act.

If you are able to follow advice on working from home, wearing mask on public transport and washing your hands then perhaps you should do so.

If you have damaged lungs, a work that requires your physical presence or you risk not getting money to feed your kids or you feel a religious dread that you are going to hell for missing few months of church attendance then perhaps you shouldn’t follow the recommendations because clearly for you the side effects are worse than the chances of dying from the virus.

Frankly if people just used bit of common sense we would get over this much sooner.

Your scenario indeed is bogus because 350 million people are not going to get COVID19 all at once, just like they don’t all get the flu at once - and COVID19 is not much worse than the flu - indeed it’s less, because flu kills children. This kills very few.

 

[chad kincham]

YouTuber with 22 followers has discovered the global conspiracy. Hurrah.

How did you fact check this momentous discovery ?

You think just because a local YouTuber uploaded that video, that this guy isn’t reaching millions of people?

My, you’re so very smart!

There are hundreds of doctors and others telling the truth and being censored.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Chart showing total numbers of USA deaths, note that doctors are saying the slight increase is due to people not going to the doctor out of fear, and dying from non COVID causes:

Here is a picture showing today’s results for total mortality in the US – not the results show mortality is approximately as expected and comparable to prior years:

That shows hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in total and you didn’t provide any link that all of it is “doctors saying” because people aren’t going for treatments.

Some of it certainly is but if you want to claim any meaningful statistic out of it you need to do bit better than “doctors are saying”

 

[chad kincham]

Excess death results are consistent with the prior results on a state by state basis as well:

 

[mreeed]

I have not seen Genevieve Briand's study, but I wonder if this excerpt from the CDC notes with respect to their graph that has been posted, sheds some light on the subject:

"The causes shown here were chosen based on analyses of the most prevalent comorbid conditions reported on death certificates where COVID-19 was listed as a cause of death (see COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics). Cause of death counts are based on the underlying cause of death, and presented for Respiratory diseases, Circulatory diseases, Malignant neoplasms, and Alzheimer disease and dementia."

That is, the CDC graph is not the entire total of "all-cause" deaths, but a subset of all-cause deaths for specified conditions.

 

[chad kincham]

That shows hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in total and you didn’t provide any link that all of it is “doctors saying” because people aren’t going for treatments.

Some of it certainly is but if you want to claim any meaningful statistic out of it you need to do bit better than “doctors are saying”

41,000 excess death rate for the entire country is not much at all.

See other chart.

 

[chad kincham]

You think just because a local YouTuber uploaded that video, and copied it from another source, that this guy isn’t reaching millions of people?

My, you’re so very smart!

There are hundreds of doctors and others telling the truth and being censored.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Your scenario indeed is bogus because 350 million people are not going to get COVID19 all at once, just like they don’t all get the flu at once - and COVID19 is not much worse than the flu - indeed it’s less, because flu kills children. This kills very few.

Your sympathy for the elderly is charming and flu is actually a great killer in itself and you even mentioned this was worse than that.

Very few is a matter of perception. Very few compared to what ?

Just take the figures. US will likely get easily past 300000 dead before vaccination programs get to speed.

So 300000 ? Mostly sick and elderly. Is it a lot ? Compared to US total population of 330 million not really.

On the other hand it is around the whole population of city of Pittsburgh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh

Or about what US casualties were in WW I

 

[chad kincham]

You think just because a local YouTuber copied that video from another source and uploaded that video, that this guy isn’t reaching millions of people?

My, you’re so very smart!

There are hundreds of doctors and others telling the truth and being censored.

 

[chad kincham]

Your sympathy for the elderly is charming and flu is actually a great killer in itself and you even mentioned this was worse than that.

Very few is a matter of perception. Very few compared to what ?

Just take the figures. US will likely get easily past 300000 dead before vaccination programs get to speed.

So 300000 ? Mostly sick and elderly. Is it a lot ? Compared to US total population of 330 million not really.

On the other hand it is around the whole population of city of Pittsburgh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh - Wikipedia

Or about what US casualties were in WW I

You can spout your spiel all day long - there’s no way the virus is bad enough to justify more lockdowns.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

You think just because a local YouTuber uploaded that video, that this guy isn’t reaching millions of people?

My, you’re so very smart!

Yeah, there might correlation of that guys video being watched 200 times in YouTube and the fact of the video reaching “millions of people”

Of course as you said you really got to be smart to notice the difference of magnitude in numbers because statistics and numbers are apparently hard for some people.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

You can spout your spiel all day long - there’s no way the virus is bad enough to justify more lockdowns.

Just for curiosity how many dead people is your limit ?

When would it be bad enough ?

 

[chad kincham]

Yeah, there might correlation of that guys video being watched 200 times in YouTube and the fact of the video reaching “millions of people”

Of course as you said you really got to be smart to notice the difference of magnitude in numbers because statistics and numbers are apparently hard for some people.

Thousands of USA doctors say lockdowns bad for public health

Australian doctors demand end of lockdowns

Swedish professor why lockdowns are the wrong policy:

WHO COVID expert lockdowns only delay infections

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Thousands of USA doctors say lockdowns bad for public health

There are around a million practicing doctors in US so this is kind of ....low number....and as mentioned everyone agrees there are downsides to Covid fight measures.

Swedish professor why lockdowns are the wrong policy:

The Swedes and especially their chief advisor on epidemic have totally failed with Sweden having many times the mortality rate of their neighbors so I wouldn’t take Swedish advice on this.

WHO COVID expert lockdowns only delay infections

That is only thing that is needed or expected. Delay the infections and deaths for few more months before the vaccination program kicks in.

Nobody is expecting lockdowns to end this pandemic.

edit : forgot Australians. Well, they have more pressing issues like climate change that is turning their country to desert.