The Land Promises Have Ended, the Abrahamic Covenant Genesis 17

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It was a twofold covenant.

PART ONE, GOD'S OBLIGATIONS:

"Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 'As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.'" Genesis 17:3-8

PART TWO, ABRAHAM'S OBLIGATIONS:

"Then God said to Abraham, 'As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner -- those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.'" Genesis 17:9-14

THE NEW COVENANT:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Galatians 5:6

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Galatians 6:15

where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Colossians 3:11




The Land Promises were conditional upon circumcision, however the New Covenant now states there is no circumcision and that circumcision produces nothing. Yet, Abraham was required to keep circumcision in order to receive the land of Canaan as a possession (Genesis 17:7-8,11,13-14), what gives, Christian Zionists and Dispensationalists?
 
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Jesus fulfilled the law and have received the promises of the old covenant....including the land promises and is landlord.....he is able to give those promises of the old covenant to those his subjects willing to abide by new covenant terms
 
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Jesus did not fulfil all the Law.

He kept those aspects of the Law He was under as a virgin, male Jew, and Rabbi.

And He fulfilled those aspects of the Law He came to fulfil that pertained to His 1st Advent.

And He died according to the Law.

But He has yet fulfilled those aspects of the Law that pertain to the other side of Romans 11:25 - 29.
 
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Jesus did not fulfil all the Law.

He kept those aspects of the Law He was under as a virgin, male Jew, and Rabbi.

And He fulfilled those aspects of the Law He came to fulfil that pertained to His 1st Advent.

And He died according to the Law.

But He has yet fulfilled those aspects of the Law that pertain to the other side of Romans 11:25 - 29.

Can you be a little more specific?...what part of the law that Jesus did not fulfill ?...did he not obtain all the promises pertaining to the law?
 
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dfw69 said in post 3:

Jesus fulfilled the law and have received the promises of the old covenant....including the land promises and is landlord.....he is able to give those promises of the old covenant to those his subjects willing to abide by new covenant terms

That's right.

Also, all those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church, are spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28), and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).

Also, God still has regard for the land of Israel (as in Deuteronomy 32:43,49b), and Jerusalem especially (as in Isaiah 62:6-7, Psalms 122:6). For even during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:5-18), the earthly Jerusalem will still be considered by God to be the holy city (Revelation 11:2, Luke 21:24), the holy mountain (Daniel 11:45, Daniel 9:16). And after the tribulation, at Jesus' 2nd coming, it will be to the Mount of Olives just east of the walled Old City of Jerusalem that Jesus will descend (Zechariah 14:4-21, Acts 1:11-12). And then Jesus will rule the whole earth from the earthly Jerusalem during the millennium (Micah 4:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-21, Revelation 20:4-6).

And if even those who are "strangers" in Israel can inherit the land of Israel (Ezekiel 47:21-23), then certainly believing Gentiles, who are "no more strangers" to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19), will inherit the land of Israel during the future millennium of Revelation 20:4-6. And they will inherit the land and all the other promises given to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19, Ephesians 3:6, Galatians 3:29, Genesis 12:7) along with all the elect Jews who have ever been saved in the past or who will get saved in our future, including at Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:25-32).
 
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Danoh said in post 4:

Jesus did not fulfil all the Law.

Note that he did fulfill the spirit of all the law, in the sense of Galatians 5:14, Romans 7:6b.

Danoh said in post 4:

He fulfilled those aspects of the Law He came to fulfil that pertained to His 1st Advent.

That's right.

For Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53).

Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean (as is sometimes claimed) that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for he did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for he couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with his own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow his disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).
 
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43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 44 And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. 45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.


Joshua 21:43-45



14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. 15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.



Joshua 23:14-15


28 So Joshua let the people depart, every man unto his inheritance.



Joshua 24:28

3 David smote also Hadadezer, the son of Rehob, king of Zobah, as he went to recover his border at the river Euphrates.


2 Samuel 8:3

21 And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.


1 Kings 4:21

26 And he reigned over all the kings from the river even unto the land of the Philistines, and to the border of Egypt.


2 Chronicles 9:26

8 and foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:


Nehemiah 9:8


5 that I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.


Jeremiah 11:5
 
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7 Wherefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt separate three cities for thee. 8 And if the Lord thy God enlarge thy coast, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, and give thee all the land which he promised to give unto thy fathers; 9 if thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the Lord thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:



Deuteronomy 19:7-9



7 And they appointed (#1) Kedesh in Galilee in mount Naphtali, and (#2) Shechem in mount Ephraim, and (#3) Kirjath-arba, which is Hebron, in the mountain of Judah. 8 And on the other side Jordan by Jericho eastward, they assigned (#4) Bezer in the wilderness upon the plain out of the tribe of Reuben, and (#5) Ramoth in Gilead out of the tribe of Gad, and (#6) Golan in Bashan out of the tribe of Manasseh. 9 These were the cities appointed for all the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them, that whosoever killeth any person at unawares might flee thither, and not die by the hand of the avenger of blood, until he stood before the congregation.



Joshua 20:7-9
 
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7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:7-8

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:13-14

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:28-29
 
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3 how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Ephesians 3:3-12
 
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14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 for through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Ephesians 2:14-18
 
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1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.


Galatians 5:1-6

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


Galatians 6:15
 
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13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 8:13

9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


Hebrews 10:9

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,


Hebrews 13:20
 
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Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.

Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.


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Jesus did not fulfil all the Law.

He kept those aspects of the Law He was under as a virgin, male Jew, and Rabbi.

And He fulfilled those aspects of the Law He came to fulfil that pertained to His 1st Advent.

And He died according to the Law.

But He has yet fulfilled those aspects of the Law that pertain to the other side of Romans 11:25 - 29.
This borders on heresy Danoh. You really need to read the scriptures, because the more I read your post, the more I'm convinced you browse the scriptures.

Now...let's just end this with a few verses that show you either don't read well OR you need to read more:

Matthew 5:17:
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Jesus said that what he came to do...AND HE DID IT when He said on the cross "IT IS FINISHED".

Romans 8:2-4:
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


Work with those Danoh.
 
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That's right.

Also, all those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church, are spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28), and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).

(Maybe I'll just paraphrase if no one complains. God commanded Abraham to go into Canaan, and then later on God revealed why, it was to give Abraham's Seed the "Stars". ... ... So when did God give the Stars to Abraham's Seed? When God delivered the Hebrews out of Egypt, they saw "Stars" fall when the first born of the egyptians were slain. However God invalidated this application, because he commanded the egyptians to furnish the Hebrews with jewelry that resembled "Stars" or diamonds and the such, etc. So, Abraham's Covenant could not of been satisfied at that time, but the Gospel clearly indicates: "Abraham's Covenant was for the Jewish People, that is the Hebrews, or "Ephraim", a Tribe associated with the Genetic Jew ... the chosen Tribe of David, or the "Key of David" if you want to put it that way, because Ephraim must be slain as apart of the redemption of Judah, which begins when the 3 Days of Darkness begins)

First of all, some one that identifies with the message of salvation/ascension through Jesus is called a Jew. Secondarily, someone that does not identify with the salvation/ascension (into the new universe) message with Jesus is called a Gentile (weather they've found this message in science, or some other diversity of means, if it is not through the truth of Jesus, they are a gentile ... or if that person is spiritually discerned then a reprobate, and subject simply to the better judgment of others). ............... God allowed only the Jewish People to carry the Gospel for about 4000 years, and at which time it was impossible for the Genetic Jew to be called a Gentile. Now, because of sin, you really have to view each person individually, and witness against their testimony of the gospel, if you desire to do that. .... .... .... ..... REGARDLESS. The Covenant of Abraham given exclusively to the Jewish People, can be summarized as the "Promise of Melchisedek" to the Jewish People to inherit a New Planet of their own in the New Universe.

When it comes to Separatist Inheritances*, the Gospel does state this directly in a few different ways ... but the unifier is always the backbone of how the "Tribes" are assigned to specific ethnic groups or
portions of humanity.

Well ... here I go again paraphrasing so forgive me just this time, once more. God gives us a genealogy in Genesis 18, and it is blank, it begins with 50 generations and then counts down. What is the Gospel Teaching? If these people are not written into the Lamb's Book of Life from before the foundation of the world, from before the heavenly creation and establishment of the planet earth, then what book are they written into? And Who are they? What book did they come from? ..................... The answer is they've come from the "Other Universe" and they are subject to the terms of the Gospel and they are held accountable to it, this is the Tribe of Manasseh, also a "Separatist Inheritor" of a New Planet of their own in the New Universe.
 
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Joshua 21:43-45

Note that verses like Joshua 21:43 don't require that the promise of the land of Canaan is only typological in the past, instead of it being literal and valid not only in the past, but also in our present and in our future. For the promise is that the literal Canaan will be "an everlasting possession" (Genesis 17:8).
 
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