The Land God promised Abraham

[ralliann]

We are talking about Israel are we not?

Paul only started writing scripture after Christ ascension, but Israel existed way back in Exodus.

We are talking about Abraham and the covenant he made with him. Israel existed as a man, Jacob before Exodus. So did the Gospel in Christ, to Abraham.

 

[Guojing]

We are talking about Abraham and the covenant he made with him. Israel existed as a man, Jacob before Exodus. So did the Gospel in Christ, to Abraham.

So what has your point got to do with my point that you replied to earlier? The Land God promised Abraham

 

[ralliann]

So what has your point got to do with my point that you replied to earlier? The Land God promised Abraham

My point is we all have eternal inheritance in Christ.

 

[Guojing]

My point is we all have eternal inheritance in Christ.

So how does this point relate to the point you are replying to?

To Israel, this implies that God will resurrect the 3 of them, which will happen after the Tribulation. Together, Israel and them will inherit that land promise forever after that (Matthew 5:5).

 

[ralliann]

So how does this point relate to the point you are replying to?

We all inherit the eternal land, that is my point. Not just the nation of Isreal or the circumcision.

 

[Guojing]

We all inherit the eternal land, that is my point. Not just the nation of Isreal or the circumcision.

To be clear, when you say "eternal land" are you referring to the land on Earth that was promised to Israel, or heavenly land?

 

[ralliann]

To be clear, when you say "eternal land" are you referring to the land on Earth that was promised to Israel, or heavenly land?

the land of this earth is not eternal.

 

[Guojing]

the land of this earth is not eternal.

That means you are referring to heavenly land then.

Israel was promised land on Earth in Genesis 17:8. so that is different.

 

[ralliann]

That means you are referring to heavenly land then.

Israel was promised land on Earth in Genesis 17:8. so that is different.

The fourth generation inherited the earthly land. In Christ all inherit the eternal kingdom.

 

[Guojing]

The fourth generation inherited the earthly land. In Christ all inherit the eternal kingdom.

Genesis 17:8 was an everlasting possession. You have changed it to the 4th generation, on your own.

 

[ralliann]

Genesis 17:8 was an everlasting possession. You have changed it to the 4th generation, on your own.

Genesis 15
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Notice in this covenant.
Verse 15 Abraham will die, and sleep with his fathers.
verse 16 it speaks to the fourth Generation of his seed.
As Joseph well knew.

Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

Jud 2:10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.

 

[Guojing]

Genesis 15
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Notice in this covenant.
Verse 15 Abraham will die, and sleep with his fathers.
verse 16 it speaks to the fourth Generation of his seed.
As Joseph well knew.

Ex 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
Ge 50:25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.
Ex 13:19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

Jud 2:10 And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.

That verse is saying that the 4th generation will break out of Egypt.

But you are implying that ONLY the 4th generation will inherit the land, despite what God later told Abraham in Genesis 17:8.

That is reading into the Bible what you want it to say

 

[ralliann]

That verse is saying that the 4th generation will break out of Egypt.

But you are implying that ONLY the 4th generation will inherit the land, despite what God later told Abraham in Genesis 17:8.

That is reading into the Bible what you want it to say

No, it is what scripture says, about the 4th generation of his seed. What you are doing is making the earthly worldy inheritance the same as eternal, heavenly inheritance.
Abraham was told he would die in the first covenant, Isaac died, Jaocb died, and all the generation with Joseph died. And they knew they would. Joseph told them to carry up his bones because he knew the inheritance was to the fourth generation, AS SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS.


Read what scripture says

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.


Heb 11
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

 

[Guojing]

No, it is what scripture says, about the 4th generation of his seed. What you are doing is making the earthly worldy inheritance the same as eternal, heavenly inheritance.
Abraham was told he would die in the first covenant, Isaac died, Jaocb died, and all the generation with Joseph died. And they knew they would. Joseph told them to carry up his bones because he knew the inheritance was to the fourth generation,.

As I said to you previously,

To Israel, this implies that God will resurrect the 3 of them, which will happen after the Tribulation.

Together, Israel and them will inherit that land promise forever after that (Matthew 5:5).

 

[ralliann]

As I said to you previously,

As you say

 

[Guojing]

As you say

Yes all of us are interpreting scripture

 

[ralliann]

Yes all of us are interpreting scripture

But, you pay no attention to some of what it says. Clearly Paul speaks of two covenants, two sons. We read of those in the scripture of Genesis. The first, in Genesis 15. Then Genesis 17. The fourth generation of his seed is specifically mentioned. It is not something "interpreted".

 

[Guojing]

But, you pay no attention to some of what it says. Clearly Paul speaks of two covenants, two sons. We read of those in the scripture of Genesis. The first, in Genesis 15. Then Genesis 17. The fourth generation of his seed is specifically mentioned. It is not something "interpreted".

All of us are the protagonist in our own minds. Thus, whoever disagrees with us is, by definition, the antagonist.

Thus, its natural to think that they are the ones that are misinterpreting scripture, while we are not interpreting but merely saying "what it actually meant".