ImmortalTechnique said:faith never gets results any of the time.
MewtwoX said:However, given this situation it can never be a fact because you must have faith first.
JohnR7 said:First of all, it is a known fact that God created the universe that we live in.
JohnR7 said:Second of all, it is a known fact that the Bible is inspired by God and 100% relyable and dependable.
JohnR7 said:Even human faith and positive thinking has been shown to get good results. How much more can you get results from God's divine faith.
JohnR7 said:We have evidence we have testimony from every christian that faith does get results. They would not even be a christian if they did not believe in the power of the Faith of God.
JohnR7 said:Your lack of ability to get results does not impress anyone. People are impressed when you know how to get results. Esp in the time of need.
JohnR7 said:What makes it a fact is that the formula works 100% of the time. It only has to work 1% of the time, in order for science to consider it to be a fact. This is a 99% margin of safety.
MewtwoX said:You assume that God exists
JohnR7 said:I have tested God the way any scientist would test something. I look at the results I get. If you do not know how to get results, that is to bad. We know how to get good results.
MewtwoX said:You don't fully investigate other options and look critically at the possibilities with assumptions accepted as truth.
JGG said:What kind of results? (I need a broken record emoticon)
(if you don't mind answering in this order)
What was your hypothesis?
How did you test it empirically?
How did you set control conditions?
What kind of design did you use?
How did you operationalize and record results?
What were the results?
JohnR7 said:I came to God and I got "saved" about 25 years ago when I was going though a divorce and I found myself a single parent. I was in a lot of pain. Nothing I did would cause that pain to go away. Nothing that the doctors or science had to offer me, would cause that pain to go away. Then someone suggested that I try the God of the Bible. I had tried every other book I could find to read, so it was no big deal to me to give it a try.
For me the Bible works and God is real. He has answers to every question and the solution to every problem. Now after 25 years I just trust God that whatever happens to me in my life He will work it all out for the best. The Bible is FILLED with promises and with God those Promises are true.
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
There are many, many, many promises in the word of God for us. They are like hidden treasure that are there for whoever wants to look for them.
JohnR7 said:I have tested God the way any scientist would test something.
JGG said:How is something which is 100% reliable open to interpretation?
JohnR7 said:It is not open to private interpretation. The Holy Spirit of God leads us into all truth. When people try to understand the Bible without God's help, then they run into various interpretations.
JGG said:Yeah but this is hardly how scientists test something.
JGG said:But don't you interpret the bible differently than YEC's, and other Hovindites?
JohnR7 said:I already told you, science had nothing to offer me. No one had any help for me, no one had anything to offer me. Except for the Christians, they said to try God. I had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
JohnR7 said:No man interprets the Bible for me. I am lead by God in my understanding of the Bible. I am interested in how God is working in the lives of others. I enjoy to hear first hand testimony. But I do not have much use for doctrine that is passed from person to person in a round robin sort of fashion. Irwin allows me to stay here, but I have been thrown out of a lot of churchs because I will not accept their brand of dogma. Some of them if they do not throw you out, then they will put a gag order on you.
JGG said:Again, fair enough. But are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit is interpreting the bible for you, but not for these other Christians?
JGG said:Fair enough. But say we had a Christian in the same situation who felt he was not getting results from Christianity, and turns to Hinduism for help.