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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    The kingdom is about peace, righteousness, and joy in the spirit. America is about division, strife and materialism.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    "the whole world", with few exceptions, is under the power of the prince of the air.
    not just America or the untied states.
     
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  3. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
     
  4. Noxot

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    the USA is one of the best countries to be born into though it still falls so very short of the kingdom of God.
     
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  5. W2L

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    Yes. We in america are materialistic. This is unwise.
     
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  6. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy

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    Agreed. But, it is Christians that need to repent, not just in America but all over the world.
    2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
     
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  7. W2L

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    Our citizenship is in heaven.
     
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  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    And the point/ hope/ thought about this is what ?
     
  9. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy

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    The Church imho, is too conformed to the world.
    Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    That's not just your opinion,
    that is what God's Word says clearly.

    There do not appear to be enough believers even if they all repent
    to change what is happening in the land (on earth).... not until Jesus returns that is.
     
  11. Divide

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    Mind if I take a stab at this too brother? Because...we know we're in the last days, and probably very close to the start of the Great Tribulation, right? So the implications to me is...that the more believers that are praying (and unbelievers repenting and accepting Jesus...!) then the more God will lessen the suffering and death and destruction in America...?

    Certain things will have to come to pass, because it is written...but the power of prayer can directly affect the intensity of it...(The prayer of a righteous man availeth much...)
    Nineveh ring a bell? Slated for destruction...then when Jonah finally made it there, they all (had, lol) repented, so the judgement of destruction was cancelled by God...!!!
    America may be just like Nineveh. Types and shadows, God tells the end from the beginning, etc..

    Exactly Sister. The (corporate) church needs help, and I think that the real Church is US now, (we're the temple of the Holy Spirit) and home Churches/study groups are the last days answer to the problem of which you speak. Corporate churches are not giving the congregation the tools it needs to be able to grow and spiritually mature...and walk in Christ in these last days.
     
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  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yes, it may be.

    And, do you know what happened to Nineveh finally ? (it was destroyed totally)

    Yes, for a while it was spared, but then they went and got worse ......
     
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  13. JackRT

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    Billy Graham said --- "I preached Americanism too much….I began to realize we are not the Kingdom of God." (1999)
     
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  14. W2L

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    I had that same realization.
     
  15. Mr. O

    Mr. O Psalms 46:10

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    Jesus is not American. HE IS DEVINE.
    We're Christians (sinner's saved) first.
    American ideologies do not always conform to Christ.
    Founded on religious freedom, America has been blessed immensely by the Hand of God.
    Pray for a revival that people turn to Christ. People need Christ.
    Pray that believers turn back to God, and the unsaved find Jesus as their Savior.
    God Bless America. IN GOD WE TRUST.
    God's will be done, forever and always.
     
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  16. W2L

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    I have a hard time saying that God blessed america. Either way, look at how carnal politics are. The apostle paul rebuked the carnal corinthians for being divided spiritually, he also said we should be separate from this world, thereby perfecting holiness. What would paul say about republicans and democrats?
     
  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Same as Jesus, and Yochanan the immerser, and the Prophets would say:

    Turn to YHWH (repent); stop robbing people; stop oppressing people; take care of the poor and the widows INSTEAD of creating widows and orphans;
    stop killing; stop promoting and propheting(sic) from the drug trade (illegal and legal); enforce righteous laws with justice and not bribes.
     
  18. W2L

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    Also, divisions/factions among Christians are works of flesh
     
  19. Noxot

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    well I really feel for the people of the world because it is rather hard to exist as something more than what your biology is and if so many just exist in the conditions that are it becomes harder to be something different. but at least we don't have to worry about starving when a bad winter comes along.
     
  20. Lazarus Short

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    I once belonged to an "America First - Without Apology" group of Christian Patriots. Years after it all wound down, I gained a wider perspective. One widening was meeting a Cuban Christian pastor, and he told me that he had been one of Castro's men waiting on the shore at the Bay of Pigs. He used to be one of those faceless Commie pigs, and now, here he was, my Christian brother. Now I know that America needs to apologize for lots of things.
     
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