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The judgement of the (un)illuminated heretics and heterodox

Discussion in 'St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr' started by Stabat, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Stabat

    Stabat Stat Crux, dum volvitur orbis Supporter

    Traditional. Cath.
    How does the Orthodox church consider Christians outside the Orthodox church who has been baptized, but never strived towards illumination of their nous?

    Can they be counted amongst the saints in the end of the day or will they be doomed due to their darkened nous?

    I'm mainly referring to protestants who disregard sanctification and theosis in any form. You know, those who say that they're already saved etc. I believe it's called OSAS or something like that?

    It hardly seems possible in the way that the Orthodox fathers teach about salvation etc.

    Of course the answer is that God does as he sees it fit, but according to the set eschatology of the church how likely are they to be counted amongst the righteous?
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  2. ~Anastasia~

    ~Anastasia~ † Handmaid of God † CF Senior Ambassador Supporter

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    God knows and judges. He desires men to be saved. We hope in His mercy and trust Him. But we can't answer that as to the end condition of their souls.
  3. ArmyMatt

    ArmyMatt Regular Member Supporter

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    Eastern Orthodox
    God judges people by the light they are given. many who were Orthodox in this life can be damned. many heterodox in this life can be saved. we don't know, but God does.
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  4. Dave G.

    Dave G. Well-Known Member

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    It's more likely according to scripture that believing a system that follows after the mind of pharisees will be doomed than someone saved by grace through faith. Jesus had harsh words for the pharisees more than anyone else He spoke to. That would be the religious self righteous crowd, who often they can't even fathom they might be part of such a thing. Yet Jesus saved those because they believed enough that if they could just touch His garment they would be healed ( in the one case among many, with the woman with issue of blood). Religious systems in some cases make up man made rules added to a simple gospel message then tout it with pride, stomping down the simple believer who is more likely saved than they themselves are. Just sayin, God has the last say on this but He did have a lot to say good to those humbling themselves before Him....

    Religious pride leaves behind a huge sucking sound on the path to hell.
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  5. ArmyMatt

    ArmyMatt Regular Member Supporter

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