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The irony, Kavanagh, rape and Roe v Wade

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Colter, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Colter

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    One of the chief concerns on the Left in America is that Justice Kavanagh might be the deciding vote that could overturn the landmark Roe v Wade decision which protects a women's right to an abortion.

    In light of what the country just went through with the last minute allegations against Kavanagh, its ironic to consider that "Roe" lied about being raped to buttress her case. Roe's real name was Norma McCorvey who would eventually become a reborn Christian.

    Norma McCorvey aka “Jane Roe” Whose Rape Lie Shaped Landmark ‘Roe vs Wade’ Decision, Dies at 69
     
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  2. DaisyDay

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    Ironic? I don't think so.
     
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    Norma didn't in the end didn't get an abortion. Later, she said she was a pawn of her lawyers, including the famous Sarah Weddington.

    The rape lie was only to try to legally get an abortion under then Texas law, which prohibited abortion but apparently allowed an exception for rape. Her 'friends' encouraged her to employ the lie, but it failed to work because there was no evidence of rape.

    Hers was a sad story of a troubled life that turned out well. Not thanks to abortion.
     
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  5. Colter

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    The irony is both Kavanagh and Roe V Wade involved the false accusation of rape. Its used because of its power. Lies spread faster than truth.
     
  6. DaisyDay

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    But Kavanaugh wasn't accused of rape; he was accused of molestation and forced groping (probably not even falsely), so, ironically, your accusation is the false one here.

    Ford was accused of ruining his life, the lives of his wife and children, his career, his future and his reputation - were any of those actually ruined in any real sense?

    I do agree with you that lies spread faster - and deeper - than truth. And poor Donald is the post-truth president - unironically. We are in the Age of Donald.
     
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  7. essentialsaltes

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    Roe didn't make any accusation against anyone. And as has been mentioned, her lie was a means to obtain a legal abortion. And the lie fell apart immediately. Not very powerful at all. The lie was not a factor (or even mentioned IIRC) in the Supreme Court case.
     
  8. chevyontheriver

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    His reputation is totally ruined among about half of the population. Every time his name is mentioned people will first think of the accusations against him.
     
  9. jazzflower92

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    I say Feinstein ruined both Ford and Kavanaugh's lives. I mean both of them, because frankly her sitting on this letter and not doing a private investigation when it first came into her lap was a disservice to everyone.
     
  10. DaisyDay

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    :scratch: Define "ruined". Frankly, that seems a tad of an exaggeration in both cases.

    Do we know what Ford asked of Feinstein or how much Feinstein accommodated Ford?
     
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  11. jazzflower92

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    She was supposed to keep this under wraps, however, even then she still got this leaked to the media and didn't think about a private investigation in July.
     
  12. SolomonVII

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    The idea that no woman would EVER lie about being raped and must ALWAYS be believed is about a knuckle-headed idea as there has ever been.
    Anyone who would even consider put something like that out to for public consumption is as intellectually vapid as is humanly possible.
    And that such an inane idea has become the TRUTH for half of America speaks to how poorly critical thinking skills are being taught in the classrooms of the nations.
     
  13. Colter

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    True, Dr. Ford was used by the (D)'s. The (R)'s offered to go out to CA to meet with Dr. Ford BUT the (D)'s WANTED her to come in for the big spectacle!

    "Describing how she was viewed by the pro-abortion community, McCorvey said, “Plain and simple, I was used. I was a nobody to them. They only needed a pregnant woman to use for their case, and that is it. They cared, not about me, but only about legalizing abortion."
     
  14. essentialsaltes

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    Once again, the reporter who broke the story says that neither she nor her office were the source of the leak.

    What is a 'private investigation'? If Feinstein had run her own investigation, you can be sure few people would think it was unbiased. President Trump, the head of the executive branch, had a chance to conduct a quiet FBI investigation of the matter. He chose not to, resulting in the public spectacle.
     
  15. Desk trauma

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    She lied in an attempt to legally get an abortion, not reinforce her legal challenge to the law.

    Whatever she did after the ruling is irrelevant to the ruling.
     
  16. jazzflower92

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    And the Democrats made it anything but that.
     
  17. Veritas

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    Roe V. Wade isn't going to be overturned. Period. Kavanaugh told Collins that the issue had already been decided, indicating that he would not vote to overturn however wrongly it was decided. What I think will happen is that (to borrow a phrase from anti-gunners) there could be some "common sense" regulations decided on. Individual states could pass new laws that then would end up at SCOTUS. Frankly, there need to be some restrictions. Right now, contrary to what some people believe, a woman can get an abortion for any reason or no reason for all 9 months of pregnancy. In addition, abortion clinics are in many cases not held to standards that even vet clinics are. Planned Parenthood and other abortion activists have fought tooth and nail for ANY common sense laws to govern their industry.
     
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  18. DaisyDay

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    But who says it is TRUTH for half of America - but the other half? ^_^ That anyone would fall for that ruse speaks poorly for their thinking skills. That's really just tribal trash-talking, not even an attempt to understand or come to terms with the other side. While it may be fun in the short term, ultimately, it's destructive to our society. :preach:
     
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  19. Fantine

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    I don't think women have much confidence in Kavanaugh. The FBI investigation was not anywhere near serious nor thorough enough to make those who were concerned have confidence in his judgment (and that, of course, was exacerbated by his overly defensive and catastrophically partisan andunjudicial speech on the last day of testimony).

    I feel sure that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. I only hope it makes pro-lifers happy enough that they will start seriously looking at the high, high, high price immigrants, the poor, the disabled, senior citizens, and most Americans are paying for their single-issue voting. What price did they pay in their personal lives? Their families may lose healthcare. Their college students' loans will be much more expensive. They are seeing unemployment and workmen's comp programs evaporate. Are they fed up? Do they ever wonder whether the price they paid by voting for Republicans was worth it? After all, many women will just travel to the states that will keep abortion legal. What did they gain?

    When Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will be time for pro-lifers to begin thinking of all those who suffered serious loss due to their votes and to support a stronger social safety net for all....otherwise, how can they really call themselves 'pro-life?'
     
  20. jgarden

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    The irony, Kavanagh, rape and Roe v Wade

    The Kavanaugh hearings and confirmation may result in a short term gain - coming at the cost of long term pain for the Republicans!

    It represents one of the few political "wins" they can present to the conservative faithful for the 2018 Interims, particularly their ProLife supporters!

    The long term pain is that only 41% of the nation support Kavanaugh's conformation with some of the women's polls plummeting into the 20's.

    If those numbers carry over to next month's Interim Election, Trump's days are numbered!
     
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