The inner ear is a reverse piano

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"The inner ear is a reverse piano. This insight is design science applied to biology. If you know nothing of the design of harmonic analyzers, you can’t understand how the inner ear works.

There is obviously no Darwinian explanation sufficient to this astonishingly elegant system. It’s beyond even the most fanciful just-so stories. Darwinists don’t even try to explain it. They just hope you won’t notice.

And the reverse-piano harmonic analyzer of the inner ear is obviously best understood as a type of design, using “design” analogically, not univocally. " Michael Egnor
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/06/note-to-thomists-the-ear-is-a-reverse-piano/
 

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If it looks like an argument from incredulity, talks like an argument from incredulity, and smells like an argument from incredulity, then it must be an argument from incredulity.

Wake me when ID comes up with something interesting for a change...
 
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If it looks like an argument from incredulity, talks like an argument from incredulity, and smells like an argument from incredulity, then it must be an argument from incredulity.

Wake me when ID comes up with something interesting for a change...
A rational and wise person should be incredulous when faced with such fairy tales.

Neverthless the incredible design evident is evidence for a designer. As for me and my house, we will aknowledge Him.
 
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This is hilarious because the mammalian ear is powerful evidence that mammals evolved from reptiles.
Evidence points towards common origin definitely.
It is a philosophically void thought to work it back and extrapolate the other way however.
 
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Evidence points towards common origin definitely.
It is a philosophically void thought to work it back and extrapolate the other way however.
This riposte is vague and rhetorical, but doesn't actually address my point. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the evidence. Over time synapsid jaw bones moved and were incorporated into the mammalian ear.
Jaws to ears in the ancestors of mammals
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This riposte is vague and rhetorical, but doesn't actually address my point. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the evidence. Over time synapsid jaw bones moved and were incorporated into the mammalian ear.
Jaws to ears in the ancestors of mammals
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Marvelous!
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of design development (as is evident in the fossil record).
Over time the wheels of a motorcar evolved from wooden spoked...

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....were incorporated into the control of the air conditioning system.

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Forgive me, it's so much fun making up just so stories to fit the ND framework. It just explains everything so well!
 
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Marvelous!
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of design development (as is evident in the fossil record).
Over time the wheels of a motorcar evolved from wooden spoked...

....were incorporated into the control of the air conditioning system.

Forgive me, it's so much fun making up just so stories to fit the ND framework. It just explains everything so well!
If you think vehicle components are analogous to living beings I can see why the information I presented is so disconcerting to you.
 
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"The inner ear is a reverse piano. This insight is design science applied to biology. If you know nothing of the design of harmonic analyzers, you can’t understand how the inner ear works.

There is obviously no Darwinian explanation sufficient to this astonishingly elegant system. It’s beyond even the most fanciful just-so stories. Darwinists don’t even try to explain it. They just hope you won’t notice.

And the reverse-piano harmonic analyzer of the inner ear is obviously best understood as a type of design, using “design” analogically, not univocally. " Michael Egnor
https://evolutionnews.org/2018/06/note-to-thomists-the-ear-is-a-reverse-piano/
This kind of argument from incredulity & ignorance ("I don't understand how this could happen, therefore goddidit...") can be remedied by learning how such a thing can happen - for example, try Evolutionary Paths to Mammalian Cochleae.
 
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This is hilarious because the mammalian ear is powerful evidence that mammals evolved from reptiles.
me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile?
evolutionist: Another reptile, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile over millions of years?
evolutionist: A mammal, of course.
me: :scratch:
 
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me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile?
evolutionist: Another reptile, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile over millions of years?
evolutionist: A mammal, of course.
me: :scratch:
That's an absolutely adorable straw man, but "reptile" is actually an outdated taxa while the more accurate phrase would be "amniote". And there were many steps between basal amniotes and synapsids, between synspsids and therapsids, between therapsids and therians and between therians and eutherians.
 
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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of design development (as is evident in the fossil record).

Are you suggesting a gradual, external tinkering is apparent in the history of the diversification of life?
 
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me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile?
evolutionist: Another reptile, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a reptile with a reptile over millions of years?
evolutionist: A mammal, of course.
me: :scratch:

That's an absolutely adorable straw man, but "reptile" is actually an outdated taxa while the more accurate phrase would be "amniote". And there were many steps between basal amniotes and synapsids, between synspsids and therapsids, between therapsids and therians and between therians and eutherians.

As you wish...
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote?
evolutionist: Another basal amniote, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote over millions of years?
evolutionist: A synapsid, of course.
me: :scratch:
 
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As you wish...
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote?
evolutionist: Another basal amniote, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote over millions of years?
evolutionist: A synapsid, of course.
me: :scratch:

Argument by emoticon?

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Argument by emoticon?

:sigh:
Not really. I'm still trying to figure out(*) how you guys can say that, for example, when fruitflies mate for thousands of generations you still end up with fruitflies. Yet you can somehow take this leap of faith and say that *eventually* they evolve into something other than fruitflies.

*Ok, so I'm not trying to figure it out so much as point out what seems to me to be an inconsistency in the logic. (But I realize I'm not the expert at logic that you guys are.)
 
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If you think vehicle components are analogous to living beings I can see why the information I presented is so disconcerting to you.
Design developement as a principle applies to anything that is designed.
 
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Are you suggesting a gradual, external tinkering is apparent in the history of the diversification of life?
Either that or a whole heap of mindless mutation that has magically evolved the appearance of design.
Certainly change over time, including a great many new inventions appearing suddenly in the fossil record in a manner and time frame that the favorite mrchanism is incompetent to produce, is evident.
 
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This is really too funny. Does it make you feel more confident in your beliefs to play these semantic games?
Semantics? Design development as a principle is evident wherever there is design.
If biological forms are designed and created over a period of time then it might be expected that we would see a development over that time, perhaps using many of the same components, perhaps using some ideas from other places in different designs.
Nothing about words here simply interpretation of the evidence as it appears.
 
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As you wish...
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote?
evolutionist: Another basal amniote, of course.
me: What do you get when you mate a basal amniote with a basal amniote over millions of years?
evolutionist: A synapsid, of course.
me: :scratch:
Oh. So your "response" to actual evidence in inane shtick. Good luck with that.
 
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