The Ice Ball-The Melt-The beginning of life---The Here & NOW

Do you believe there was a Biblical Flood-?

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chuckpeterson

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The Ice Ball-The Melt-The beginning of life---The Here & NOW

People ask about the biblical flood and wonder if it was/is possible.
I’m going to throughout some facts then we can debate the evidence found and where we go from here-

[1] to begin you must have enough water to cover the land as far as the eye can see. So where did the water come from--------- (?)
About 650 years ago earth was mostly covered in ice.

An ice shelf is a thick suspended platform of ice that forms where a glacier or ice sheet flows down to acoastline and onto the ocean surface. Ice shelves are only found in Antarctica, Greenland, Canada, and theRussian Arctic. The boundary between the floating ice shelf and the anchor ice (resting on bedrock) that feeds it is called the grounding line. The thickness of ice shelves can range from about 100 m (330 ft) to 1,000 m (3,300 ft).

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen at least once, sometime earlier than 650 Mya(million years ago). Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropicalpalaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation andthe geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4]
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator Earth's now steamy Equator was covered with ice 716 million years ago, according to a new study. Strange fossil may be rare insect preserved in gemstone.

The finding appears to add solid evidence to the theory of an ancient "snowball Earth."
"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator

[2] A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming
Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.
Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

[3] The beginning of life on earth—

About 700 million years ago plants began to evolve absorbing the CO2 and exhaling O2.
The dirty ice could have been the only dark spots on Earth's surface to absorb the sun's rays. As a result, these regions may have been more likely to melt, creating water bodies where primitive life-forms, such as algae and fungi, could thrive.
"Snowball Earth" Confirmed: Ice Covered Equator

This is the time period when “life” started living on the surface of the ice and among the melting water.

[2] Planet Earth was a very inhospitable place with no oxygen (O2) and only single-celled bacteria as inhabitants. According to a new study, the oxygen content in the air began to increase about 2.4 billion years ago, at the same time as the global glaciation and when all continents were gathered in a single huge landmass
Oxygen content increased when Earth was covered in ice

Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.
Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

More evidence of the melting ice—
Erosion generally forms very uneven surfaces. Now, look again at the pictures of the Grand Canyon in this paper and notice the crisp parallel lines between each layer. Many claim that there are evidences of erosion in lower layers, evidences of rivers, streams, rain, etc. However, these are generally isolated findings such as one might expect if they were formed rapidly, such as occurs with the rapid runoff of waters after a catastrophic flooding event.

After this formation, a massive amount of water was suddenly released in a huge runoff that covered several states, flowing from east to west. All of the sediment over the Grand Canyon region, above the Kaibab, was removed very rapidly by an extremely wide sheet of rapidly running water. Cedar Ridge was one massive waterfall. Notice that there is a distinct V-shaped formation at the tip where the eastern Grand Canyon begins - pointing toward Lake Powell. One can also recognize the deep punched-out appearance of the Canyon itself from the satellite photo as well as many of the other Canyon photos presented here. In other photos one can see the massive cliff-like faces that form a very wide valley where, in the middle, the Grand Canyon has been formed. The Grand Canyon is actually the baby canyon in comparison to the canyon in which is sits.

It seems that the sheet of rushing water dissipated before it could remove all of the elevated features, such as the various flat-topped buttes, in the GC region - which still remain as isolated islands sticking up above the relative flatness of the surrounding landscape. Also, as the water rapidly dissipated and the sheet of water narrowed, the "steps" of the Grand Staircase were formed.
The Geologic Column

The oxygen increase was created by living organisms breathing in CO2 and exhaling (O2); absorbing the carbon.

Ammonites are perhaps the most widely known fossil, possessing the typically ribbed spiral-form shell as pictured above. These creatures lived in the seas between 240 - 65 million years ago, when they became extinct along with the dinosaurs. The name 'ammonite' (usually lower-case) originates from the Greek Ram-horned god called Ammon. Ammonites belong to a group of predators known as cephalopods, which includes their living relatives the octopus, squid, cuttlefish and nautilus (see pictures below).
DISCOVERING FOSSILS | What is an ammonite?

The Here And Now---------------

"Potentially historic" flooding threatens Southern states
Scientists are warning that historic flooding could soon deluge parts of several Southern states along the lower Mississippi River, where floodwaters could persist for several weeks. The flood threat in the South will be discussed Thursday, when the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration releases its 2019 spring outlook.

Experts plan a briefing on their flood forecast at the National Water Center in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Thursday's report is aimed at helping emergency managers and other safety officials to prepare for flooding.

Flooding in Southern states this spring will be "potentially historic," NOAA said in an advisory.
Mississippi River flooding 2019: "Potentially historic" flooding threatens South - CBS News

The Midwest floods are going to get much, much worse

An “unprecedented” flood season lies ahead this spring, according to NOAA.
By Umair Irfan Updated Mar 27, 2019, 2:21pm EDT
The Midwest floods are going to get much, much worse

Historic Midwest Flooding Likely to Cost at Least $1.3 Billion in Nebraska Alone; Missouri Towns Ordered to Evacuate
Historic Midwest Flooding Likely to Cost at Least $1.3 Billion in Nebraska Alone; Missouri Towns Ordered to Evacuate | The Weather Channel

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The point of all of this is you cannot throw the Bible out the window just because some verses talk about a great flood.

BTW the term “global” had not been invented or created yet so using this term to win the debate is not valid, in my point of view of things

Can we agree on this-?
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Obviously, a lot of work went into the above post, but I don't buy into the long age of our planet.

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Age of the Earth
The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age may represent the age of the Earth's accretion, of core formation, or of the material from which the Earth formed.
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Age of the Earth
The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age may represent the age of the Earth's accretion, of core formation, or of the material from which the Earth formed.
More Information on Wikipedia

I agree that the Earth appears to be old, but is it? None of us were there when it happened, and we lack a time machine to check back. We also don't know it our planet, or any planet, formed from accretion or by some other way.
 
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The point of all of this is you cannot throw the Bible out the window just because some verses talk about a great flood.

BTW the term “global” had not been invented or created yet so using this term to win the debate is not valid, in my point of view of things

Can we agree on this-?
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I'm not about to toss the Bible or the Global Flood. I think the water was enough to cover the mountains OF THAT WORLD. The Earth seems to have been smaller then, and with shorter mountains, but having not been there, it is in the end...a guess. I have no hot buttons to push here, except for the account in Genesis, which is written with a fairly broad brush.
 
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The idea of a global flood is a fairly modern one, the writers of the OT had a very different notion of what 'the whole world' meant. Also, it seems to be the case that the flood account in the enuma elish and earlier partial Sumerian accounts are demonstrably older than the genesis account. Put the evidence together and I think that, although there may well have been at least one catastrophic flood in the Ancient Near East, the story is more likely a literary device to make a point than an account of an actual event.
 
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The idea of a global flood is a fairly modern one, the writers of the OT had a very different notion of what 'the whole world' meant. Also, it seems to be the case that the flood account in the enuma elish and earlier partial Sumerian accounts are demonstrably older than the genesis account. Put the evidence together and I think that, although there may well have been at least one catastrophic flood in the Ancient Near East, the story is more likely a literary device to make a point than an account of an actual event.

There may be several grains of truth to the flood mythology of Noah and similar mythologies from elsewhere in the ancient Middle East. About 25 years ago it was discovered (" Noah's Flood" by Ryan and Pitman) that in antiquity the Black Sea was a freshwater lake with a water level at least 155 meters (510 feet) below its present level. It was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a silt plug in the Straits of Bosporus. This plug broke through about 7600 YBP due primarily to the dramatic rise in sea levels caused by the melting that ended the last ice age.. It created an immense waterfall whose sound was most likely audible for 100 or more miles. The Black Sea basin filled to its present level over a period of several weeks. It is estimated that the shore line advanced at the rate of a mile or more per day. For the people living around the lake it was a catastrophe of immense magnitude. It was likely the single most memorable flood in all of human history. The racial memory of this event probably inspired the Gilgamesh epic which in turn inspired the Noah narrative in the Bible. The evidence for this flood is scientifically solid. This prompted the National Geographic Society to finance an underwater search along the ancient shoreline for evidence of pre-flood human habitation. This search has been successful! A settlement has been found at a depth of 90 meters approximately 12 miles off the coast of Turkey. It is in a remarkable state of preservation because it is located in an area of the Black Sea where the water is completely devoid of oxygen with the effect that biological decomposition does not take place. This means that wooden artifacts such as tools, planks, housing beams etc are preserved intact. What is also quite amazing is that while there is solid scientific evidence for this local flood some 7600 YBP, there is no evidence at all for a worldwide flood just 4300 YBP. One would think that a more recent, more catastrophic event would have wiped out evidence of the earlier Black Sea event. There is also evidence for a similar event causing the flooding of the Gulf of Arabia about 10,000 YBP.
 
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.,.,,.,..,there is no evidence at all for a worldwide flood.,,.,

The King James bible that I have never states that there was "a worldwide flood"

Flood?,..,. yes, a great flood.,..,,yes.,., you could see water for as far as the eye can see
But no biblical verse state; "a worldwide flood"

No, not once; zip, nada :)-
 
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