The Holy Spirit dwells only in obedient believers

[BCsenior]

Of course, this is not my idea … it is what John 14 says!

John 14 (NLT):
15 If you love me, obey my commandments.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.
17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him.
But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.
18 No, I will not abandon you as orphans — I will come to you.
19 Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live.
20 When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father,
and you are in me, and I am in you.
21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me.
And because they love me, my Father will love them.
And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.
23 All who love me will do what I say.
My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.
24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.

John 14 says: Having the indwelling Holy Spirit is conditional
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:15
If you love Jesus, Father God will give you the Holy Spirit … 14:15-16
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:21
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, He will love you and reveal Himself to you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, you will do what He says … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God and Jesus (and the HS?) will come inside … 14:23

John 14 says most believers today do NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside
… simply because they are NOT obeying His commandments.
Does this remind you of the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3.

 

[Curtis.Hilliker]

I love verse 16 where it says “...who will never leave you.” Sadly I really feel like the Holy Spirit did leave me years ago.

 

[SeventyOne]

I love verse 16 where it says “...who will never leave you.” Sadly I really feel like the Holy Spirit did leave me years ago.

The irony here is that that verse of the Holy Spirit never leaving us is quoted as part of an argument that the Spirit will leave us if we are disobedient.

 

[BCsenior]

Because you don't keep His commandments?

 

[SeventyOne]

Because you don't keep His commandments?

One who has the Spirit desires to be obedient, and we strive to do so because we love Him. We aren't trying to buy His love with our obedience.

 

[BCsenior]

One who has the Spirit desires to be obedient,
and we strive to do so because we love Him.
We aren't trying to buy His love with our obedience.

Did anyone say we are?

 

[SeventyOne]

Did anyone say we are?

Just every one of your works salvation threads.

 

[BCsenior]

Just every one of your works salvation threads.

RE: obedience, I think they all say ...
your salvation is proven by your obedience.

Which, like you point out, is the same thing as ...
your obedience maintains your salvation ...
or to be more blunt ... your obedience saves you!

BTW, I don't make any of this up ... it's just what the NT says!
And I get all of this by RECONCILING all of the NT verses.
We have to believe every verse.

 

[Phil W]

Of course, this is not my idea … it is what John 14 says!

John 14 (NLT):
15 If you love me, obey my commandments.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.
17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him.
But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.
18 No, I will not abandon you as orphans — I will come to you.
19 Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live.
20 When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father,
and you are in me, and I am in you.
21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me.
And because they love me, my Father will love them.
And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.
23 All who love me will do what I say.
My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.
24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.

John 14 says: Having the indwelling Holy Spirit is conditional
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:15
If you love Jesus, Father God will give you the Holy Spirit … 14:15-16
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:21
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, He will love you and reveal Himself to you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, you will do what He says … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God and Jesus (and the HS?) will come inside … 14:23

John 14 says most believers today do NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside
… simply because they are NOT obeying His commandments.
Does this remind you of the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3.

I concur.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are we STILL doing this?

 

[BCsenior]

I concur.

I guess it's pretty difficult not to!
I mean, agreeing with John 14.

 

[BCsenior]

Are we STILL doing this?

You're not ... you're outta here, right?

 

[BCsenior]

Okay, let's go a little deeper ...
Those who are led by the Spirit are sons of God (Romans 8:14).
Can the Holy Spirit lead us from outside our bodies?
Demons (fallen angels) can place thoughts in our minds.
So, God's angels can also place thoughts in our minds.
Ergo, the Holy Spirit can place thoughts in our minds (from outside).

 

[civilwarbuff]

You're not ... you're outta here, right?

Yeah, I am. I think everyone's position has been made very clear.....

 

[BCsenior]

Yeah, I am. I think everyone's position has been made very clear.....

What, a handful is everyone! ... Nah

 

[Kenny'sID]

We aren't trying to buy His love with our obedience.

Just every one of your works salvation threads.

Show us where anyone even indicate they are buying their salvation.

The OP has made it perfectly clear the bible says we *must* be obedient, and that is the reason we are. So again, show us why you think it's because we are trying to buy salvation, and proof that is a fact.

We all know it cannot be shown we who try to be obedient, are trying to buy salvation. Meaning there must be another reason for the constant charges of such. The only reason for the charge is in attempt to make obedience a non issue, and the attempt to make it a non issue is because of the want to not be obedient.

If you disagree with that then lets step back to the request for proof. I mean the OP has proven the real reason right there, you can see it with your own eyes, now may we see your proof we are trying to buy salvation? If you cannot provide that, you haven't a leg to stand on with your argument. Gotta love good ol' down home logic.

 

[BCsenior]

Gotta love good ol' down home logic.

Yes, and sometimes the Holy Spirit points out the logic of something
... when we don't see it for ourselves.

 

[topher694]

Of course, this is not my idea … it is what John 14 says!

John 14 (NLT):
15 If you love me, obey my commandments.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.
17 He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him.
But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.
18 No, I will not abandon you as orphans — I will come to you.
19 Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live.
20 When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father,
and you are in me, and I am in you.
21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me.
And because they love me, my Father will love them.
And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.
23 All who love me will do what I say.
My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them.
24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.

John 14 says: Having the indwelling Holy Spirit is conditional
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:15
If you love Jesus, Father God will give you the Holy Spirit … 14:15-16
If you love Jesus, you will obey His commandments … 14:21
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, He will love you and reveal Himself to you … 14:21
If you love Jesus, you will do what He says … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God will love you … 14:23
If you love Jesus, Father God and Jesus (and the HS?) will come inside … 14:23

John 14 says most believers today do NOT have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside
… simply because they are NOT obeying His commandments.
Does this remind you of the church of Laodicea in Revelation 3.

You still have some repenting to do, so I guess you're not being obedient. Why don't you lead by example?

 

[Phil W]

Okay, let's go a little deeper ...
Those who are led by the Spirit are sons of God (Romans 8:14).
Can the Holy Spirit lead us from outside our bodies?
Demons (fallen angels) can place thoughts in our minds.
So, God's angels can also place thoughts in our minds.
Ergo, the Holy Spirit can place thoughts in our minds (from outside).

As the children of God have the gift of the Holy Spirit, the only voice we need is the one from the inside.

 

[BCsenior]

As the children of God have the gift of the Holy Spirit,
the only voice we need is the one from the inside.

Yes, if we love Jesus enough to obey His commandments,
we will have the precious Holy Spirit on the inside (Ref. John 14 in the OP).

BTW, "the gift" and "the promise" refer to the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
which is the second work of grace (which some BACs receive),
and which usually is not connected with the born-again experience.
All BACs are invited to believe it, and pray for it, and expect it.
It is a baptism of anointing of spiritual power (administered by Jesus Himself).