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The Holy Land; Depopulated

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Jeremiah 9:7-10a These are the Words of the Lord: I shall refine and test them. How else should I deal with My people? They speak lies and place traps for the unwary. Shall I fail to punish them for this? I will exact vengeance, and on the mountains and pastures there will be weeping and wailing. Jer.3:21, Psalm 30:5

    Jeremiah 9:10b-11 The Land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. Jer. 12:4

    Jeremiah 9:12 Who is wise enough to understand all this? Who has the Lord’s command to explain it? Why has the Land become a dead Land, burned and laid waste? [These are dual prophesies, to be completely fulfilled in the near future]

    Jeremiah 9:13-20 It is because they rejected My Law, which I set before them, they neither obeyed Me or kept My Laws. They follow the promptings of their wicked hearts, as their forefathers have taught them. Therefore, I shall make them eat and drink bitterness, I will scatter them among the nations, harass and punish them there. Wail and lament, for you have left your Land and your houses are in ruins. Isaiah 10:23, Isaiah 28:21-22

    The Kingdom of Israel, conquered in 720BC and finally exiled in 712 BC, then Judah in 585BC and again in 70AD. The exile of the northern 10 tribes still applies, part of the House of Judah have returned to part of the Land, but they do not fully obey the Lord, so they and all peoples, remain under the threat of punishment.


    Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come in the windows and entered our safe places. People in the streets and squares are cut off. Corpses lie everywhere, like swaths behind the reaper, with no one left to gather them. Joel 2:9-11, Jer. 25:33, Jer. 7:32-34

    This is the result of the Great Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. A massive CME sunstrike will ‘scorch the land ‘, ‘burned and laid waste’. Underground shelters will be the only protection. This is amazingly prophesied for the Jewish remnant, in Isaiah 29:1-4.....you will speak out of the earth. Their voices will squeak ghostlike from underground.

    Jeremiah 9:25-26 The time is coming, says the Lord when I shall punish all the circumcised. The Egyptians, the Jewish people, the Edomites, the Jordanians and all who live on the fringes of the desert. For all alike are uncircumcised and even the whole House of Israel is really uncircumcised in heart. Ezekiel 30:1-5

    The prophesy about scattering His people among the nations has been fulfilled and now we await the full and final regathering back into the Promised Land. In order for that to happen, the great clearance and cleansing as prophesied here and in Jeremiah 12:14, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, will take place. Then the ‘scorched Land ‘ will be regenerated as in;

    Ezekiel 36:8-12 But you, Land of Israel, you will grow your fruit trees and crops, for the homecoming of My people is near. I shall settle on you the whole people of Israel. They will be more prosperous than in days of old. Thus you will know that I am the Lord. Jeremiah 29:13-14, Ezekiel 36:36

    His faithful Christian people will know the Lord by His blessings to them, not by the presence of Jesus, until His Return, to come later.
    Great are the promises to His righteous people!
     
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  2. Dave L

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    When Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, the Jews who rejected Christ became gentiles by default. So I see these prophecies as not pertaining to them, but to the circumcised in heart who will occupy the New Heavens and earth at Christ's return. The resurrection on the last day IS the restoration of Israel.

    “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” (Acts 1:6–7)

    “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:19–21)

    “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:35–36)
     
  3. BABerean2

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    Show us the texts which use the word "sun", if you want any of us to verify your CME theory.

    Otherwise, it is just another man-made theory which comes from the minds of men who have an overactive imagination.


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  4. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Obviously you are an antithesis of your forum name. If you actually did 'search the scriptures' and had some understanding of what God has planned for these end times, then you would have no need to ask [demand] anyone to show you.
    The undeniable proof text is Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine with 7 times its normal brightness, like 7 days in one and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.... In the context of the Day of wrath; Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30
    This plain statement can only be explained by an explosion on the sun's surface' a Coronal Mass Ejection, something well known to happen on a regular basis, albeit on a very small scale, usually. The one the Lord will instigate, will be of an unprecedented magnitude and will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about that terrible Day. Again; proof; it will just last for a 24 hour day. Isaiah 47:9, Zechariah 3:9, Ezekiel 7:10

    Psalm 50:1-3 ...from the rising of the sun until it's setting....our God shall come...a fire shall devour before Him and storms will surround Him...
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes; burning like a furnace.....
    Joel 2:1-11....as the dawn spreads upon the mountains, a vast host will appear, never before has been their like and never again will it happen. Fire devours before them and the Land is devastated and depopulated.....

    Near miss CME.

    A few years ago, we were all going about our daily business, blissfully unaware that our planet almost plunged into global catastrophe.

    A recent revelation by NASA explains how on July 23, 2012, Earth had a near miss with a solar flare, or coronal mass ejection (CME), from the most powerful storm on the sun in over 150 years, but nobody decided to mention it. Err, what? Well, that’s a sobering bit of news.

    “If it had hit, we would still be picking up the pieces,” says Daniel Baker of the University of Colorado.

    We managed to just avoid the event through lucky timing as the sun’s aim narrowly turned away from Earth. Had it occurred a week earlier, when it was pointing at us, the result could have been frighteningly different.

    “I have come away from our recent studies more convinced than ever that Earth and its inhabitants were incredibly fortunate that the 2012 explosion happened when it did,” says Baker. “If the explosion had occurred only a few days earlier, Earth would have been in the line of fire.”

    The power of this ejection would have raced across space to knock us back to the Dark Ages. It’s believed a direct CME hit has the potential to wipe out communication networks, GPS and electrical grids to cause widespread blackout. The article goes on to say it would disable “everything that plugs into a wall socket. Most people wouldn’t even be able to flush their toilet because urban water supplies largely rely on electric pumps.”

    Just 10 minutes without electricity, Internet or communication across the globe is a scary thought, and the effects of this event could last years. It would be chaos and disaster on an epic scale.

    “According to a study by the National Academy of Sciences, the total economic impact could exceed $2 trillion or 20 times greater than the costs of a Hurricane Katrina. Big transformers damaged by such a storm would take years to repair.”

    So can we breathe a worldwide sigh of relief? Well, not quite. Physicist Pete Riley, who published a paper titled “On the probability of occurrence of extreme space weather events,” has calculated the odds of a solar storm strong enough to disrupt our lives in the next 10 years is 12 percent.

    “Initially, I was quite surprised that the odds were so high, but the statistics appear to be correct,” says Riley. “It is a sobering figure.”

    Originally Published By: News.com.au
     
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  5. BABerean2

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    I know enough to look at the whole passage, instead of just a verse or so, that somebody is trying to use to make their CME theory work.

    Especially somebody who has denied that the New Covenant is now in effect, despite Hebrews 8:6, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and 1 John 2:27.

    And somebody who denies that 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 is the Second Coming of Christ...


    Isa 30:19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.
    Isa 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
    Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
    Isa 30:22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
    Isa 30:23 Then shall he give the rain of thy seed, that thou shalt sow the ground withal; and bread of the increase of the earth, and it shall be fat and plenteous: in that day shall thy cattle feed in large pastures.
    Isa 30:24 The oxen likewise and the young asses that ear the ground shall eat clean provender, which hath been winnowed with the shovel and with the fan.
    Isa 30:25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
    Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
    Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
    Isa 30:28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
    Isa 30:29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
    Isa 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
    Isa 30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
    Isa 30:32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.
    Isa 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

    There is much more to the passage above than just the sun being brighter than normal.

    Some in the passage above are going to be rewarded on "the day of slaughter", while others are punished.

    How is a CME going to reward some and slaughter others?


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  6. keras

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    The prophesies you quote tell us: Also Isaiah 66:15-17
    Isaiah 30:26b...the Lord will heal the wounds of His people......and in verse 29 Ye shall have a song, as in the night when a holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the mountain of the LORD, to the mighty One of Israel.
    Note that this prophecy again tells us that the Lord's holy people will gather in all of the holy Land.
    Its time that a true understanding of what will happen and what our destiny is, comes to us all.

    Your practice of flat rejection, when prophetic truths are presented, shows a closed mind and an inability to change your views despite being shown your errors.
    By dragging up old issues, in your over the top manner, you simple demonstrate your fixed and intransigent beliefs.
     
  7. BABerean2

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    The woman at the well agrees with you.
    You must have missed the part where Christ corrected her.



    Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

    Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

    Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



    Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
    Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.



    Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

    My future plans do not include a trip to the city of "bondage" in Galatians chapter 4.

    My final destination is not on this rotten, sin-cursed world.

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  8. Douggg

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    keras, there might be some CME activity that causes the sun scorching men in Revelation 16:8-9.

    But in regards to the sixth seal, you are thinking way too small to what is going to take place in that seal;

    and misapplying what might take place to an extent in Revelation 16:8-9, too broadly in your developing an end times scenario around it.
     
  9. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    What you plan and what actually happens are two very different things.
    Isaiah 52:1-2 Awake, awake! Zion put on your strength, Jerusalem, holy city put on your splendid garments. For the ungodly and unclean will never again enter you....
    I pray to be worthy to live there. Isaiah 60:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 50:4-5
    Your opinion, Douggg, doesn't give the benefit of what would be bigger that a CME to fulfil what we are told will happen on the Lord's Day of wrath, the Sixth Seal. Please us what you think the Lord will use on that Day.
    Revelation 16:8-9, the Fourth Bowl, will be another, smaller CME, years after the Sixth Seal.
     
  10. BABerean2

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    Do you understand the difference between the city of "bondage" found in Galatians 4:25 and Revelation 11:8, and the "holy" heavenly city of Sion found in the passage below?

    Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
    Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
    Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    If you cannot see the New Covenant in verse 24, maybe you cannot see Mount Sion in verse 22 ?

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  11. keras

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    Your end times eschatology, BaB, is very confusing. Do you believe we go to live in the heavenly Zion, or is that just spiritual, for this era. As I believe.
     
  12. keras

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    Isaiah 63:1 Who is this; coming from Edom, from Bozrah with His garments stained red, moving in His mighty power? It is I; proclaiming victory, I who am strong to save.

    Edom refers to all the ungodly peoples, all those opposed to the purposes of God.

    Bozrah means ‘sheepfold’, and is used here as a metaphor for those nations where His sheep – the lost tribes of Israel and all the Christian peoples are at present. Matthew 15:24 The Lord, in His mighty power, proclaims victory and saves His people. This is His great Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 34:1-8, Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

    Isaiah 63:2-6 Why are Your clothes splattered with blood? I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I trod the nations in My anger and My clothes were splashed by their blood. No one came to My assistance, by My own might, I brought victory. I shattered My enemies in My fury, their blood spilled on the ground.

    Luke 20:43 & Acts 2:35 The Lord said to my Lord: sit at My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1

    Hebrews 10:12-13 Christ, having offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, took His seat at God’s right hand and now waits until His enemies are made His footstool.

    From these verses, it is made quite clear that Jesus does not Return in His glory until His enemies are ‘made His footstool’. That is they are punished and defeated. But it is ‘the Son of man’- that is: Jesus Himself who actually instigates this Day of vengeance. This accords with; Luke 3:16-17...the chaff He will burn on a unquenchable fire.

    Psalm 18:7-15...He makes darkness His covering, hail and glowing coals go before Him.

    But on that Day, He will be revealed to His people, those who believe and trust in His salvation.

    Zechariah 9:14-16 The Lord will appear over them, His weapon will flash like lightning – He will save His people. Ezekiel 20:9-11 & 36

    Isaiah 60:1-3 Over you the glory of the Lord has dawned, though darkness covers the earth, on you the Lord shines and over you His Glory will appear.

    2 Thessalonians 1:6-10....the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire, punishing the godless peoples, He will reveal His glory among all believers.

    Luke 17:29-30 On the day Sodom was destroyed, fire and sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that on the Day the Son of Man is revealed. Isaiah 24:23b

    In Luke 4:18-19, At the commencement of His ministry, Jesus quoted only verse 1 and the first half of verse 2 of Isaiah 61:1-2. The second half is unfulfilled prophecy – ‘A Day of vengeance of our God and to comfort those who mourn’. Many other prophecies confirm that this Day of vengeance and wrath is the next action of the Lord on the earth and as the rest of Isaiah 61:3-11 state, it is also the time He will ‘ comfort those who mourn’. That is: people who grieve for Christ’s death and trust in Him for their salvation. Note that the Lord has blood stained clothes, then much later at His Return in glory, Revelation 19:13 He is ‘robed in garments dyed in blood’. This proves that the Day of vengeance is before His Return.

    Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine with 7 times its normal strength on the Day I save My people.

    Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people, Your anointed ones. You shatter the house of the godless to its foundations.

    Zechariah 10:5-6 Destruction of enemies, then restoration for the true believers of God.

    2 Peter 3:12 & 14 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, for that Day will set the heavens ablaze and melt the works of the earth with fervent heat. In expectation of all this, my friends, do your utmost to be found at peace with Him, unblemished and above reproach.
    Ref: REB. some verses abridged.

    Then: more than 40 prophecies categorically state how His faithful Christian people will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah.
     
  13. BABerean2

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    The heavenly Sion found in Hebrews 12:22-24 is just as real as that rotten, sin-cursed city that now exists in the middle east.

    What did Paul say about our home in Galatians 4:24-26?

    What did the author of the Book of Hebrews say in Hebrews 11:15-16?

    What was Peter looking forward to in 2 Peter 3:10-13?

    Were they confused?

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  14. keras

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    No; but you are.
    Do you live in heaven now? If not, when do you expect to go there? Provide explicit scriptures for this.

    Do you not even bother to read prophesies like I post here?
     
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