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The Holy Bible Teaches Globe Earth.

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  2. FEZZILLA

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    The Spinning Globe Post.

    Job 38:14, The Rotation of the earth

    “It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment” (KJV)

    Other Translations:

    “It is turned as clay to fashion, and all stand up as a garment” (1599 Geneva Bible).

    “It is turned like clay by the seal,
    and it stands out as a garment” (MEV)

    “It turneth itself as clay of a seal And they station themselves as clothed” (YLT).
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    Bible Commentaries

    So it [the earth] is turning in a full rotation facing the dayspring (v.12). Henry Morris hammers this one down very well in his classic work The Remarkable Record of Job, p.40,

    "Job suggests not only that the earth was suspended in space but also that it rotates about its north-projecting axis. “Hast thou commanded the morning since they days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth; that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; they stand out as a garment” (Job 38:12-14). Though figurative language, this reflects a true physical process. God is pictured as taking hold of the two ends of the earth’s axis and turning it as if it were a clay cylinder receiving an impression from a seal. The seal toward which the earth is turned, however, is not a metallic pattern. Rather, it is the “dayspring,” evidently the sun fixed in its place.”

    The Henry Morris Study Bible,

    “38:14 turned. This figurative expression refers to God’s initiation of the earth’s rotation and the day-night cycle. Each night, like a rotating clay cylinder exposing the impressions of the seal, the earth turns to the sun (or “dayspring”), exposing the wicked and their works of the night.”

    Jamieson, Fausset & Brown Bible Commentary, Vol.2,

    “14. Explaining the first clause of v.13, as v.15 does the second clause. As the plastic clay represents the various figures impressed on it by a seal, so the earth, which in the dark was void of all form, when illuminated by the day-spring, presents a variety of forms, hills, valleys, etc. “Turned” (‘turns itself’,’ Hebrew) alludes to the rolling cylinder seal, from one to three inches long, such as is found in Babylon, which leaves the impression on the soft plastic clay, as it is turned about: so the morning light rolling on over the earth. Rich (‘On the Ruins of Babylon’) in Barnes, says, ‘The cuneiform writing of these cylinder seals is reversed, or written from right to left, whereas every other cuneiform writing is to be read from left to right. This can only be accounted for by supposing that they were intended to roll impressions.’ they stand--the forms of beauty unfolded by the dawn stand forth as a garment in which the earth is clad.”

    The Bible Knowledge Commentary, 1885 Edition

    “38:12-15. God’s control of the earth also includes the daily sequence of dawn and darkness. The dawn causes the wicked, who are active at night (cf. 24:14-17; John 3:19), to hide. It is as if the morning light were shaking them out of a blanket (Job 38:13), causing them to be broken in their power (upraised arm, v. 15; cf. 40:9). As the sun comes up the earth’s contours become evident and the wicked no longer have darkness, which they call their light, in which to work. Since Job had nothing to do with establishing or controlling this aspect of Creation how could he question God’s doings now?”

    The language of Job 38:12-15 is deeply figurative but the rotation of the earth can be clearly seen as well as the sun’s stationary position in the solar system, making this passage stand out as a garment of light to those who seek the depth of truth which turns in it’s revolution out of the darkness. This passage also helps interpret Job 26:10 “the boundary of light and darkness.”

    *Note: figurative language is used to capture a deeper spiritual meaning.
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    Early Church Fathers on the Rotation of the Earth.

    † St.Ambrose (337-397 A.D.)

    The following quotations come from 4th century St.Ambrose from his work called the "Hexameron", from The Fathers Of The Church series translated by John J. Savage.

    “Consequently, the year, too, has the stamp of a world coming to birth, as the splendor of the springtime shines forth all the more clearly because of the winter’s ice and darkness now past. The shape of the circles of years to come has been given form by the first dawn of the world” (p.12).

    The circle of years. That sounds like a spinning globe to me.

    This next quotation from St.Ambrose is long but necessary for this subject. Here Ambrose defines what immovable earth means while also quoting from a Psalm in which the earth is moving! Ambrose is explaining how the earth abides by the laws ordained for it by God, that it will not fall down (since it is suspended in space, Job 26:7). The earth will not float away. It is a fixed sphere and will not move from its ordained laws.

    “How the disposition of the earth therefore depends upon the power of God, you may learn also where it is written: ‘He looketh upon the earth and maketh it tremble,’ and elsewhere: ‘One again I move the earth.’ Therefore, the earth remains immovable not by its balances, but is moved frequently by the nod and free will of God, as Job, too, says: ‘The Lord shaketh it from its foundations, and the pillars thereof tremble.’ And elsewhere: ‘Hell is naked before him and there is no covering for death. He stretched out the north over the empty space and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his clouds. The pillars of heaven fled away and are in dread at his rebuke. By his power the seas are calmed, by his wisdom is struck down the sea-monster, and the gates of heaven fear him.’
    By the will of God, therefore, the earth remains immovable. ‘The earth standeth for ever,’ according to Ecclesiastes, yet is moved and nods according to the will of God. It does not therefore continue to exist because based on its own foundation. It does not stay stable because based on its own props. The Lord established it by the support of His will, because ‘in his hand are all the ends of the earth.’ The simplicity of this faith is worth all the proffered proofs.
    Let others hold approvingly that the earth never will fall, because it keeps its position in the midst of the world in accordance with nature. They maintain that it is from necessity that the earth remains in its place and is not inclined in another direction, as long as it does not move contrary to nature but in accordance with it. Let them take occasion to magnify the excellence of their divine Artist and eternal Craftsman. What artist is not indebted to Him? ‘Who gave to women the knowledge of weaving or the understanding of embroidery?’ However, I who am unable to comprehend the excellence of His majesty and His art do not entrust myself to theoretical weights and measures. Rather, I believe that all things depend on His will, which is the foundation of the universe and because of which the world endures up to the present” (pp.22-23).

    “However, in the circular quality of a sphere these elements are confused and lose the impulse of their course, inasmuch as a sphere is turned around in its orb and hence the elements above change place with the elements beneath and vise-versa” (p.23).

    The circular quality of a sphere [Strong’s H2328 - H2329]. This sphere is turned (Job 38:14). We can see how Ambrose is reading and interpreting Scripture.

    The next citation from the Hexameron of St.Ambrose deals with how 4th century skeptics of the Bible claim that the earth cannot be a sphere because water could not remain on it.

    “And first of all these interpreters wish to destroy the profound impressions which frequent reading of the Scriptures have made in our mind, maintaining that waters cannot exist above the heavens. That heavenly sphere, they say, is round, with the earth in the middle of it; hence, water cannot stay on that circular surface, from which it needs must flow easily away, falling from a higher to a lower position. For how, they say, can water remain on a sphere when the sphere itself revolves?” (p.52).

    In the next quotation Ambrose begins the paragraph with “Scripture points out”, and then cites from Isa.40:22,

    “And further on: ‘Who sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts, who stretcheth out the heavens as an arch?’ Who, then, ventures to put his knowledge in the same plane with that of God?” (p.231).

    † Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)

    Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:

    “And when the seasons, in their circling course,
    Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
    Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
    Out of a confused heap who didst create
    This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
    Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
    Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
    Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
    In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
    (Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).

    And the Holy Scriptures taught Clement about the sphere of the earth and the circular course (rotation) of the 4 seasons. How do you get 4 seasons on a flat earth anyway?

    † St.Clement of Rome (35 - 99 A.D.)

    "20.The heavens revolve by His arrangement and are subject to Him in peace. 2 Day and night complete the revolution ordained by Him, and neither interferes in the least with the other." (Clement of Rome; Ancient Christian Writers, Vol.1: "Epistle to the Corinthians," Chapter 20:1-2, p.22).

    Even back in the 1st century A.D., 2000 years ago, long before the modern era of science, Clement of Rome read about a spherical earth that rotated on its axis. What verse are the ancient Christian church fathers reading? I believe its all in the Book of Job, as verses like Job 26:10 and Job 38:14 indicate how the earth turns (rotates). Even Job 37:12 expresses with similarity how the weather patterns of the earth move all around the habitable globe.
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    There is no discepency between the undetailed version of Creation that we are given in Genesis ... and any of the scientific theories you mention.

    In fact, the "Big Bang" can easily be understood to correlate to God's statement "Let there be Light" ...
     
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    Jerome renders the underlying Hebrew as gyrum, a Latin word that means "round" which does not always mean "spherical." St. Ambrose already knew that the Earth is a sphere, so his rendering can be forgiven and poses no problem to the theological content of the passage. Strong's supports my reading.

    In any case, I think the whole line of argument--that the Bible taught science before the scientists figured it out, and that it somehow "proves" the Bible--is a misuse of God's Word.
     
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    well you are 0 for 1 for globe earth verses

    It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment.
     
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    Even back then, 2000 years ago, scientists knew that the Earth was a sphere, had known it for centuries, even to calculating its diameter reasonably accurately.
     
  7. d taylor

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    Sure it is a creation that the moon sun and stars are located in one place in the raqia between two bodies of water one below and a body of water above with the sun, moon and stars placed in the raqia. also in Genesis 1 the raqia is stated as where birds fly across the face of the raqia the same place the sun, moon and stars are located.
     
  8. FEZZILLA

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    Here are 13 globe earth verses from the Bible from the 4th century Latin Vulgate and the best English translation for each verses. I actually have a list of 17 or 18 globe earth verses total and the list continues to grow.

    Caution Atheists: You are about to learn a Hebrew word that has been excluded from the Bible for 500 years!! Yes its sad and pathetic.

    Contents
    Introduction
    Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English
    Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg
    Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl
    Summary of Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl
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    Introduction

    The Latin Vulgate was translated from the original languages of the Bible (Hebrew & Greek) in the late 4th century by St.Jerome. I have written much on this subject from the perspective of English translations. But this work will contain each verse in English & the Latin Vulgate, along with Strong's numbers. I will also provide Hebrew and Latin definitions for each word that means globe in our common English language. English translations will be selected from the most accurate translation for each verse.
    Jerome's Latin Vulgate has been the most widely used Bible in all Christian history.
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    Globe Earth Verses, Latin & English

    This section provides a list of 13 globe earth verses from the Latin Vulgate and the best English translation in each verse.

    1. 1 Samuel 2:8,

    Latin Vulgate: "suscitat de pulvere egenum et de stercore elevat pauperem ut sedeat cum principibus et solium gloriae teneat Domini enim sunt cardines terrae et posuit super eos orbem"

    ✅Word: Orb, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl

    English Definition of Orb
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition of Orbis
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "He reyseth vp the poore out of the duste, and lyfteth vp the begger from the dong hill: to set them among princes, and to enheret them with the seate of glory. For the pyllers of the earth are the Lordes, and he hath set the rounde worlde vpon them" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew-Tyndale Bible).

    2, Job 26:10,
    Latin Vulgate: "terminum circumdedit aquis usque dum finiantur lux et tenebrae."

    ✅Word: circumdedit, from H2328 חוּג chûwg

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...4c2a62687719ea1a76371742677fba68aa357db0.html

    Compass/Encompass Defined
    Compass vs Encompass - What's the difference?

    English: "He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end" (Strong's H2328: חוּג chûwg; -- KJV).

    3. Job 37:12,

    Latin Vulgate: "quae lustrant per circuitum quocumque eas voluntas gubernantis duxerit ad omne quod praeceperit illis super faciem orbis terrarum"

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl

    English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English "Being turned by his guidance to their doing all that he commanded them upon the face of the habitable globe of the earth" (Strong's H2015 הָפַךְ hâphak, H4524 מֵסַב mêçab, H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl, H776 אֶרֶץ ʼerets -- 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

    4. Psalm 18:15,

    Latin Vulgate,
    is Psalm 17:16: "et apparuerunt fontes aquarum et revelata sunt fundamenta orbis terrarum ab increpatione tua Domine ab inspiratione spiritus irae tuae"

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English "The sprynges of waters were sene, and the foundacyons of the rounde worlde were discouered at thy chidynge (O Lorde) at the blastynge and breth of thy displeasures" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    5. Psalm 19:4,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "in omnem terram exivit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae verba eorum."

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "Their line went forth into all the earth, and their words into the ends of the habitable globe. In them he set a tent for the sun" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl - 1876 Julia E. Smith Bible).

    6. Psalm 24:1,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "psalmus David prima sabbati Domini est terra et plenitudo eius orbis terrarum et universi; qui habitant in eo"

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English "A Psalme of Dauid. The earth is the Lordes, & all that therin is: the compase of the world, & al that dwell therein" (H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    7. Psalm 89:11,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "tui sunt caeli et tua est terra orbem terrae et plenitudinem eius tu fundasti"

    ✅Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English "The heauens are thine, the earth is thine: thou hast layed the foundation of the rounde world, and al that therin is" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    8. Psalm 93:1,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "laus cantici David in die ante sabbatum quando inhabitata est terra Dominus regnavit decore indutus est indutus est Dominus fortitudine et praecinxit se etenim firmavit orbem terrae qui non commovebitur"

    ✅Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "The Lorde is kyng, and hath put on glorious apparell, the Lorde hath put on his apparell, & gyrded him selfe with strengthe: he hath made the rounde world so sure, that it can not be moued" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    9. Isaiah 18:3,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "omnes habitatores orbis qui moramini in terra cum elevatum fuerit signum in montibus videbitis et clangorem tubae audietis"

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "Yea, al ye that syt in the compasse of the worlde, and dwell vpon the earthe, when the token shalbe geuen vpon the mountaynes, then loke vp: & when the horne bloweth, then herken to" (1537 Matthew's Bible).

    10. Isaiah 34:1,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "accedite gentes et audite et populi adtendite audiat terra et plenitudo eius orbis et omne germen eius"

    ✅Word: Orbis, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "Come ye Heithen & heare, take hede ye people. Herken thou earth & all that is therin: thou rounde compasse & all that groweth there vpon" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    11. Isaiah 40:22,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "qui sedet super gyrum terrae et habitatores eius sunt quasi lucustae qui extendit velut nihilum caelos et expandit eos sicut tabernaculum ad inhabitandum"

    ✅Word: Gyrum (aka, Gyrus), from H2329: חוּג chûwg

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...6xZdr1VYJgTQ4bTP6IrXghta4HftCpq2RT4krKufvdjLY

    English: "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Strong's H2329: חוּג chûwg, -- Douay Rheims Bible).

    12. Jeremiah 10:12,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "qui facit terram in fortitudine sua praeparat orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"

    ✅Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "But (as for oure God) he made the earth with his power, and with hys wysdom hath he fynished the whole compasse of the worlde, wyth hys discrecion hath he spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).

    13. Jeremiah 51:15,

    Latin Vulgate:
    "qui fecit terram in fortitudine sua praeparavit orbem in sapientia sua et prudentia sua extendit caelos"

    ✅Word: Orbem, from H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl

    Orb, English Definition
    Orb definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

    Latin Definition
    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/t...FWl7n7tTvGosTuN62LzTry39dH3o-PHcrdpLsNF_Bi2o0

    English: "Yea euen the Lorde of hostes, that wyth his power made the earthe, with hys wysedome prepared the rounde worlde, and with his discrecyon spred oute the heauens" (Strong's H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl -- 1537 Matthew's Bible).
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    Hebrew Lexicons for H2328 & H2329, חוּג Chuwg

    ✅The New Strong’s Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible,

    H2328. חוּג Chuwg, kloog; a prim. root [comp.2287]; to describe a circle:--compass [1x]."

    H2329. חוּג Chuwg, khoog; from 2328; a circle:--circle [1x], circuit [1x], compass [1x]."

    ✅Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon, H2329: "חוּג m. a circle, sphere, used of the arch or vault of the sky, Pro.8:27; Job 22:14; of the world, Isa.40:22."

    Chuwg: circle, circuit, compass, sphere.
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    Hebrew Lexicons for H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl,

    ✅The New Strong's Exhaustive Expanded Concordance of the Bible. H8398

    "8398. têbêl, tay-bale'; from H2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a particular land, as Babylonia, Palestine:—world [35x] habitable part, [1x].
    The word signified, first, the solid material on which man dwells, and that was formed, founded, established, and disposed by God; and secondly, the inhabitants thereof."

    ✅ Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon

    Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

    ✅Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.

    TWOT 835h תֵּבֵל têbêl, tay-bale'; world.

    "This noun is used in three basic situations. First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth, including the atmosphere or heavens (cf. Ps.89:12; II Sam 22:16; et al.). têbêl is often in parallelism or apposition with 'eres (I Sam 2:8; Isa.26:9; 34:1; et al.) when 'eres is used in its broadest sense of "the world." The "world" was created by God, not false gods (Jer.10:12; Ps.93:1) and it belongs solely to him (Ps.24:1). God's eternality is illustrated by his existence before the creation of "world" (Ps.90:2) and his wisdom (perhaps a personification of Christ) was present prior to the world's creation (Prov. 8:26, 31). Creation itself gives a "worldwide" witness to God's glory (Ps.19:4 [H 5]) which should result in Yahweh's praise (Ps.98:2). Yahweh will judge this "world," making it empty (Isa.24:4), though in the millennium God will cause Israel to blossom and fill the whole world with her fruit (Isa.27:6).

    Second, têbêl is sometime limited to "countries" or "the inhabitable world." This meaning is more closely related to the root meaning. It refers to the world where crops are raised. This is observed in the judgment message against the king of Babylon (not Satan) for violently shaking the "world" or "inhabitable world" (Isa.13:11; 14:17). Lightning is said to enlighten the "world"---undoubtedly referring to a limited land area (Ps.77:18 [H 19]; 97:4).

    Third, têbêl may also refer to the inhabitants living upon the whole earth. This is demonstrated by the parallelism of têbêl with I' umim (Ps.9:8 [H 9]) and 'ammim (Ps.96:13; 98:9). The context of these references is Yahweh's judgment upon the world's inhabitants---a judgment both executed in righteousness and instructive of Yahweh's righteousness (Isa.26:9; 34:1).

    In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed. Everything belongs to Yahweh as his creation (Ps.50:12). Yahweh alone controls this world (Job 34:13; Nah 1:5) and his power is over all the earth which always responds to his presence (Job 37:12; Ps.97:4)".

    ✅New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis, Volume 4:

    "9315. têbêl תֵּבֵל Nom. fem., world (#9315).
    OT Found 36x exclusively in poetic texts, the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity. It sometimes occurs in parallelism with 'eres (Jer.10:12; Lam.4:12). Twice it is used together with 'eres, either to express "the whole earth" (Job 37:12), or perhaps in the sense of the inhabited earth (Prov.8:31). It is used frequently in contexts that associate it with Yahweh's creative act and that, as a result, express the stability or durability of the earth (1 Sam.2:8; Ps.89:11 [12]; 93:1; 96:10). It is used when the whole population of the world is referred to (Ps.24:1; 33:8; 98:7; Isa. 18:3; 26:9; Nah.1:5). Isaiah uses têbêl more than any other prophet, mostly in the context of universal judgment (Isaiah 13:11; 24:4; 34:1; cf. Ps.96:13; 98:9).
    Land, earth: --> damd (ground, piece of land, soil, realm of the earth, #141); --> 'eres (earth, land, #824); --> têbêl (world, #9315)."
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    Summary of Hebrew Lexicons on H8398: תֵּבֵל têbêl,

    ✅Strong's:
    "; by extension, the globe;"

    ✅Gesenius': ",the habitable globe,"

    ✅TWOT: "First, the noun is employed to represent the global mass called earth" <--AND--> "In several passages the sense of têbêl as the globular earth in combination with its inhabitants is clearly observed."

    ✅New International: "the word conveys the cosmic or global sense in which 'eres is also sometimes used; i.e., the whole earth or world considered as a single entity."

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  9. Strathos

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    If this thread is solely about interpreting scriptural evidence and not scientific evidence, then isn't it in the wrong forum?
     
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  10. FEZZILLA

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    That is true. But the Greeks didn't even consider the spherical earth concept until 500 B.C. The latest globe earth verse from the Bible is 600 B.C. (Jeremiah) and the oldest is 2000 B.C (Job).
     
  11. Hieronymus

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    Sorry, but the Biblical model of earth is flat, rests on pillars and has a dome over it.
    It's how the ancient people believed it was.
    God didn't deem it necessary to replace this view with scientific knowledge.
     
  12. Hieronymus

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    Nah.
    That's forcing the text to match an ambiguous scientific model.
     
  13. FEZZILLA

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    What proof do have for that assumption: a picture drawn by a 20th century English-born Jewish liberal scholar by the name of Nahum Sarna (1923-2005)? I have ancient proofs here that very strongly refute those 20th century assumptions.
     
  14. d taylor

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    The Bible was not written in latin in the original languages.
     
  15. Speedwell

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    And the next question is, so what?
     
  16. FEZZILLA

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    Then continue reading until you see Hebrew lexicons. I provided 4 lexicons from 4 different disciplines and they all agree!
     
  17. Speedwell

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    Well, if you want to believe that the Bible "teaches" a spherical Earth, go right ahead. Many of us don't, and see no point in it anyway.
     
  18. SeventyOne

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    1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

    Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

    Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

    Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."



    He chose to make it fixed in location before ever making the sun.
     
  19. SeventyOne

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    I'd live to see you inscribe something on a sphere.
     
  20. SeventyOne

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    Scripture tells us the bulk of the mountains and valleys came after the flood as the way to separate them to allow the land to re-emerge.
     
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