The heresy of Chrislamism

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Since 1964, Vatican II has introduced the concept that Allah and Yahweh are the same starting a new religion we can call

Chrislamism:"Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the

Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s

judge on the last day.” Since then, we can see that subsequent Popes visited Muslim centers where we can see those

kissing the Quran, which is calling to kill Jews and Christians. In spite this kneeling of Vatican towards Islam, one see an increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.

The Abrahamic covenant is central in the salvation of Humanity reminded by the Apostle Paul (Roman 4:11-12, Gal 3:29) This covenant between Abraham and Yahweh through the Akedah (binding) of Isaac on the altar. The offspring of Isaac produced Jacob/Israel down to their offspring Moses David and the Davidic Messiah Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

According to Muslim tradition, Abraham scarified Ismael and not Isaac on Mount Moriah. According to Jewish and Christians Abraham sacrificed Isaac and opened the Jewish and Christian covenant through Moses to Yeshua . This is particularly stressed by the remembrance of the Akedah (binding od Isaac) which is the linking of Akedah and Shavuot (the giving of the Torah) or the Ketubah of Ya with Israel. To the support to the Jewish tradition, all Prophets up to Yeshua were issued from the Isaac line except Muhammad. Hence Abraham had not sacrificed both. Therefore, the one who sacrificed Ismael should be called Ibrahim. Hence we have two very different prophetic lines: the Abrahamic religions including Jews, Messianic Jews and Christians, and Ibrahimic religions including Islam, Amahdiya, Bahai. As a consequence, Islam is the antinomy of Judaism.

Judaism. Furthermore, Isa (Jesus?) of the Quran is not son of God and has not died on the cross to save the world. At the day of judgement, Isa will be assistant of the Mahdi and will confirm Islam is the true religion. Isa and Yeshua are not the same person and Islam is the antinomy of Christianity.

The perversion of Chrislamism sees that Christianity main stream Christian denominations participate to the islamisation of the West through advocating mass Islamic immigration and fruitless dialogues instead to increase resistance to it.
 

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From ETWN:

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!
OUR LADY AND ISLAM
 
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From ETWN:

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!
OUR LADY AND ISLAM

So Catholics have more in common with Muslims than they do with Protestants?
 
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So Catholics have more in common with Muslims than they do with Protestants?
Interesting according to the Roman Catholic writing that.

I also found interesting from the quote that the Quran mentions Mary double the rate the Bible does.
 
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Interesting according to the Roman Catholic writing that.

I also found interesting from the quote that the Quran mentions Mary double the rate the Bible does.

Curious why you hide behind the generalized, "Christian," instead of RCC or Orthodox, the only two denominations that subscribe to Mary being a virgin after Jesus was born. Didn't know they already did C sections back then. Nor that all her other births were by God and C sections too. That would be the only way Mary was forever a virgin.
 
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Since 1964, Vatican II has introduced the concept that Allah and Yahweh are the same starting a new religion we can call

Chrislamism:"Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the

Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s

judge on the last day.” Since then, we can see that subsequent Popes visited Muslim centers where we can see those

kissing the Quran, which is calling to kill Jews and Christians. In spite this kneeling of Vatican towards Islam, one see an increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.

The Abrahamic covenant is central in the salvation of Humanity reminded by the Apostle Paul (Roman 4:11-12, Gal 3:29) This covenant between Abraham and Yahweh through the Akedah (binding) of Isaac on the altar. The offspring of Isaac produced Jacob/Israel down to their offspring Moses David and the Davidic Messiah Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

According to Muslim tradition, Abraham scarified Ismael and not Isaac on Mount Moriah. According to Jewish and Christians Abraham sacrificed Isaac and opened the Jewish and Christian covenant through Moses to Yeshua . This is particularly stressed by the remembrance of the Akedah (binding od Isaac) which is the linking of Akedah and Shavuot (the giving of the Torah) or the Ketubah of Ya with Israel. To the support to the Jewish tradition, all Prophets up to Yeshua were issued from the Isaac line except Muhammad. Hence Abraham had not sacrificed both. Therefore, the one who sacrificed Ismael should be called Ibrahim. Hence we have two very different prophetic lines: the Abrahamic religions including Jews, Messianic Jews and Christians, and Ibrahimic religions including Islam, Amahdiya, Bahai. As a consequence, Islam is the antinomy of Judaism.

Judaism. Furthermore, Isa (Jesus?) of the Quran is not son of God and has not died on the cross to save the world. At the day of judgement, Isa will be assistant of the Mahdi and will confirm Islam is the true religion. Isa and Yeshua are not the same person and Islam is the antinomy of Christianity.

The perversion of Chrislamism sees that Christianity main stream Christian denominations participate to the islamisation of the West through advocating mass Islamic immigration and fruitless dialogues instead to increase resistance to it.

It's been quite a while since proposed, and I've never heard of it.
 
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Curious why you hide behind the generalized, "Christian," instead of RCC or Orthodox, the only two denominations that subscribe to Mary being a virgin after Jesus was born. Didn't know they already did C sections back then. Nor that all her other births were by God and C sections too. That would be the only way Mary was forever a virgin.
Huh? What makes you think I’m Catholic? I was posting a Catholic source on Mary and Islam.
 
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From ETWN:

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!
OUR LADY AND ISLAM
Since Isa is not son of God, what is the purpose of a virgin birth? who is the father Arch Angel Gabriel. It does not make sense. So I am not impresssed by the Quran. Maybe at the start of Islam in Mekka, this religion ressembled to a non Trinitarian Messianic Judaism, many such communities in Arabia, but Allah changed in Medina (abrogation laws) and Muhamad changed from a preacher in Mekka into a Jihadist in Medina.
 
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Study the Lumen Gentium.
It looks like a well thought through document. I didn't find any errors in it. A bit overdone on the structure and hierarchy, but not too bad. No substantial "Paul worship" to speak of.
 
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Since 1964, Vatican II has introduced the concept that Allah and Yahweh are the same starting a new religion we can call

Chrislamism:"Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the

Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s

judge on the last day.” Since then, we can see that subsequent Popes visited Muslim centers where we can see those

kissing the Quran, which is calling to kill Jews and Christians. In spite this kneeling of Vatican towards Islam, one see an increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.

The Abrahamic covenant is central in the salvation of Humanity reminded by the Apostle Paul (Roman 4:11-12, Gal 3:29) This covenant between Abraham and Yahweh through the Akedah (binding) of Isaac on the altar. The offspring of Isaac produced Jacob/Israel down to their offspring Moses David and the Davidic Messiah Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

According to Muslim tradition, Abraham scarified Ismael and not Isaac on Mount Moriah. According to Jewish and Christians Abraham sacrificed Isaac and opened the Jewish and Christian covenant through Moses to Yeshua . This is particularly stressed by the remembrance of the Akedah (binding od Isaac) which is the linking of Akedah and Shavuot (the giving of the Torah) or the Ketubah of Ya with Israel. To the support to the Jewish tradition, all Prophets up to Yeshua were issued from the Isaac line except Muhammad. Hence Abraham had not sacrificed both. Therefore, the one who sacrificed Ismael should be called Ibrahim. Hence we have two very different prophetic lines: the Abrahamic religions including Jews, Messianic Jews and Christians, and Ibrahimic religions including Islam, Amahdiya, Bahai. As a consequence, Islam is the antinomy of Judaism.

Judaism. Furthermore, Isa (Jesus?) of the Quran is not son of God and has not died on the cross to save the world. At the day of judgement, Isa will be assistant of the Mahdi and will confirm Islam is the true religion. Isa and Yeshua are not the same person and Islam is the antinomy of Christianity.

The perversion of Chrislamism sees that Christianity main stream Christian denominations participate to the islamisation of the West through advocating mass Islamic immigration and fruitless dialogues instead to increase resistance to it.
In addition the Koran denies that Jesus died and rose again:

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
[4.157]

the Koran denies the trinity and Jesus being the Son of God.

He (Allah) begets not [112.3]

"Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: So believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son." [4.171]

"In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary." [5.19]

The Koran not only denies that Jesus is the Son of God, but also condemns those who believe he is.

the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! [9.30]
 
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Before I give my answer, just be assured I am not for this idea.


But when we break it all down, Abraham began with 2 sons - Ishmael and Isaac. After Sarah died, Abraham remarried and had other sons (all Muslim)..

So in a sense, the God of Abraham is the same God to the Hebrew/Jews and to the Muslims (original speaking)..

We know why the Hebrews called God, Yahweh, but why the Muslims called Him Allah is beyond me, unless in ancient languages they had similar meanings?

But if you compare our Bible to the koran, many and I mean many scriptures are very similar to each other. So both sects of people actually adhered to similar teaching from Abraham. Obviously, the Mohammed issue was a recent addition compared to other scripture that originally made up the koran.

Also other differences include our Bible speaks about forgiveness and God's Mercy and Grace. The koran however, is more about the vengeance of God. And this where idealisms take off and become so opposite it's hard to believe that Ishmael and Isaac were not just brothers, but sons of Abraham..

But this idea from the Pope is like prepping the False Prophet for announcement of the antichrist. It's very bad with one exception, once Tribulation begins, we are just that much closer to finally being with God!!
 
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