The heart of the Florida Parental rights in Education Act. A.k.a don’t say gay.

[comana]

Because the vast majority of history was not done because of religion, it is not necessary to teach religions of today; especially the version of religious beliefs that was in place back then, which no longer exists today.

The religions that still exist absolutely have had an effect on history.

 

[Ken-1122]

The religions that still exist absolutely have had an effect on history.

The people who were religious (along with a lot of other things) had an effect on history. There is a big difference between teaching about a person who just so happened to be religious, vs teaching about his particular religion.

 

[rjs330]

FWIW, local school boards in Florida are interpreting the law to allow gay and lesbian teachers and staff to keep up pictures of their spouses and family members.

My guess is the actual impact of the law is mostly going to be symbolic.

I don't believe the law disallows you from having the pictures. None of the laws people complained about did. As we have pointed out over and over the law never said don't say gay. Having a photo of your significant other is saying gay in picture form. That was never forbidden.

 

[Bradskii]

No, not unless a parent wants that. School choice comes in here. Religion is a choice adults make. You are proof of that.

Religions are an integral part of the way society operates. I'm most definitely not talking about kids being taught a specific religion. But about religions in general. Both my children did Comparative Religion in school.

 

[Ken-1122]

Religions are an integral part of the way society operates. I'm most definitely not talking about kids being taught a specific religion. But about religions in general. Both my children did Comparative Religion in school.

Can't speak for your country, but in the USA, religion is not such an an integral part.

 

[Bradskii]

Can't speak for your country, but in the USA, religion is not such an an integral part.

You are kidding. Aren't you? The US is the most Christian country on the planet. By far. And every single one of the 'moral problems' that have been front and centre of debate since...whenever, have been argued by one side or the other on religious grounds. Contraception, divorce, ssm, homosexuality, abortion, education, literature...all the arguments are religious. In Congress, only one person admits to being religiously unaffiliated (Kirsten Sinema).

Gimme a break...

 

[Aldebaran]

You are kidding. Aren't you? The US is the most Christian country on the planet. By far. And every single one of the 'moral problems' that have been front and centre of debate since...whenever, have been argued by one side or the other on religious grounds. Contraception, divorce, ssm, homosexuality, abortion, education, literature...all the arguments are religious. In Congress, only one person admits to being religiously unaffiliated (Kirsten Sinema).

Gimme a break...

The U.S. may be the most religious country, but becoming much less Christian. There's a big difference between the two.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You are kidding. Aren't you? The US is the most Christian country on the planet. By far. And every single one of the 'moral problems' that have been front and centre of debate since...whenever, have been argued by one side or the other on religious grounds. Contraception, divorce, ssm, homosexuality, abortion, education, literature...all the arguments are religious. In Congress, only one person admits to being religiously unaffiliated (Kirsten Sinema).

Gimme a break...

Of public education, no religion is not a major part. (Except for those people trying to violate the establishment clause by inserting their religion's dogma into the classroom.) "Comparative religion" doesn't seem to be taught very often, I suspect because administrators were worried either that the teacher begging to have such a class would use it to propagate her religion, or parents would complain that the class treated their religion as just one religion of many. It's the same reasons many HS biology classes step around evolution.

 

[comana]

The people who were religious (along with a lot of other things) had an effect on history. There is a big difference between teaching about a person who just so happened to be religious, vs teaching about his particular religion.

Understanding tenets of religions is important to understanding motivations of those who believe and act on those beliefs. Studying the history of any culture/civilization is going to involve religion at some point.

 

[Bradskii]

The U.S. may be the most religious country, but becoming much less Christian. There's a big difference between the two.

Obviously, some smaller nations like Romania and Tonga have greater percentages of Christians. But the US is waaay ahead of any other country regarding the total number. And quite possibly the number is falling faster than any other country.

But to say that religion (the umpteen denominations of Christianity) plays no part in American life is...bizarre.

 

[Aldebaran]

Obviously, some smaller nations like Romania and Tonga have greater percentages of Christians. But the US is waaay ahead of any other country regarding the total number. And quite possibly the number is falling faster than any other country.

But to say that religion (the umpteen denominations of Christianity) plays no part in American life is...bizarre.

No, I didn't say it plays no part.

 

[Bradskii]

Of public education, no religion is not a major part. (Except for those people trying to violate the establishment clause by inserting their religion's dogma into the classroom.) "Comparative religion" doesn't seem to be taught very often, I suspect because administrators were worried either that the teacher begging to have such a class would use it to propagate her religion, or parents would complain that the class treated their religion as just one religion of many. It's the same reasons many HS biology classes step around evolution.

I agree that religion seems to play no part within the education system. But it plays a huge part in what people demand be taught. Or more likely, not taught. Your comment about evolution being a case in point.

And yeah, the sheer horror of teaching kids about different religions! I mean, they might start to make their own minds up about them...

 

[Bradskii]

No, I didn't say it plays no part.

Agreed. That comment was in relation to what Ken said earlier.

 

[FireDragon76]

Obviously, some smaller nations like Romania and Tonga have greater percentages of Christians. But the US is waaay ahead of any other country regarding the total number. And quite possibly the number is falling faster than any other country.

But to say that religion (the umpteen denominations of Christianity) plays no part in American life is...bizarre.

The only country more religious than the US is India.

 

[Ken-1122]

You are kidding. Aren't you? The US is the most Christian country on the planet. By far.

I disagree. Even though many of the people in positions of political power may be religious (Christian), all of our laws are secular.

And every single one of the 'moral problems' that have been front and centre of debate since...whenever, have been argued by one side or the other on religious grounds. Contraception, divorce, ssm, homosexuality, abortion, education, literature...all the arguments are religious. In Congress, only one person admits to being religiously unaffiliated (Kirsten Sinema).

What is it; 1962? Nobody is arguing over whether contraception, divorce, or homosexuality should be legalized anymore; today they argue over whether or not adult drag queens should be allowed to dance in front of little children, whether or not we should be required to address men as women, allow them access to female shower facilities, and let them compete in female sports, or if Critical Race Theory should be taught to children in Schools or not. Now if you think for one moment that religious people sit on one side of those issues, and non-religious people sit on the other side of those issues, you are sadly mistaken.

Gimme a break...

Get with the program!

 

[Ken-1122]

Understanding tenets of religions is important to understanding motivations of those who believe and act on those beliefs. Studying the history of any culture/civilization is going to involve religion at some point.

Religious people act on a lot more than just their religious beliefs. You got the capitalist, the socialist, the liberal, the conservative, the greedy, the generous, all being of the same religion. Remember; in the USA, the people who fought to maintain Slavery were of the same religion of those who fought to end it. You don’t have to study their religions in order to study those people.

 

[Bradskii]

What is it; 1962? Nobody is arguing over whether contraception, divorce, or homosexuality should be legalized anymore;

Read my post. I said 'have been argued...'. Most of the problems are in the recent past. But all argued from a religious viewpoint. But not all in the past. Homosexuality, ssm, gender equality, gender transitioning, the contents of libraries, what can and cannot be taught...you can plainly see that all arguments in this forum that are not specifically theological, are argued on the basis of scripture. Even politics aligns with belief and so informs opinions.

You might not need an understanding of Australian religious beliefs to understand Australia. But to ignore religion if you want to understand the US is to ignore one of the main forces that makes it tick.

 

[Bradskii]

Religious people act on a lot more than just their religious beliefs. You got the capitalist, the socialist, the liberal, the conservative, the greedy, the generous, all being of the same religion. Remember; in the USA, the people who fought to maintain Slavery were of the same religion of those who fought to end it. You don’t have to study their religions in order to study those people.

And what did those supporting slavery use to support it?

Ask any member of congress where they get their guidance from and what do you honestly think they'd say? Here's Bush from 2003:

'President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it." '

You even go to war on God's instructions.

 

[rjs330]

The only country more religious than the US is India.

Or any of the Muslim countries.

 

[rjs330]

And what did those supporting slavery use to support it?

Do you actually think all those that supported it did so on religious grounds? I believe economics is what drove it, not religion.