The Great Replacement

[Ana the Ist]

The powers that be don't want some twisted group of people seeing him as a martyr and adopting his manifesto.

Oh good....they're protecting us.

Is it the government censoring that or is it that social media companies are taking it off their sites.

I think the two colluded on the matter.

 

[rturner76]

Yeah...which would be odd if he was concerned about the latinos crossing the border illegally (although he definitely seemed concerned about that). It's not like a large African population sneaks across the southern border.

Plus the manifesto has been scrubbed from the internet.

I believe part of replacement theory includes all minorities or at least it includes a disdain for all minorities.

 

[rturner76]

Oh good....they're protecting us.



I think the two colluded on the matter.

I think it also has something to do with stifling the fame of a particular murderer. I personally don't care what he had to say he was obviously unglued.

 

[mark46]

Other countries do have mass shootings, it's debatable what the best way is for tracking them Mass Shootings by Country 2022
Much of what you say makes sense but outlawing guns will not make the problem go away. Many drugs are illegal but you can buy them in any city in the US. It will be the same way if guns are outlawed. People who are determined to get them will still be able to. Republicans are now talking about working with Democrats so maybe some common sense measures will come out of this and not just trying to score political points
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...nnell-taps-cornyn-to-negotiate-with-democrats

Yes, the criminal will get guns if he really wants to.

That isn't the argument.

The idea is that certain automatic weapons be made illegal to possess or to sell, except to those registered and licensed as military security personnel.

Are you suggesting that reducing the sale of automatic weapons by 90% and having stiff penalties for
their possession will have no effect on the number of incidents where such weapons are used?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, the criminal will get guns if he really wants to.

That isn't the argument.

The idea is that certain automatic weapons be made illegal to possess or to sell, except to those registered and licensed as military security personnel.

Are you suggesting that reducing the sale of automatic weapons by 90% and having stiff penalties for
their possession will have no effect on the number of incidents where such weapons are used?

When you say automatic are you talking about semi automatic firearms?

 

[BPPLEE]

When you say automatic are you talking about semi automatic firearms?

This is off topic but I'm willing to see what you have to say

 

[dufrianord]

It seems like they targeted any criticism against the "Le Grand Remplacement" now after the Buffalo Shooting. I saw French media write about it, also in my country, Sweden (link) and they make the Jews and blacks as victim and whites as racists. Overall, some articles says "In Buffalo, Blacks says they are being replaced" (Yahoo News)
The U.S. southern border seems to be wide open and I heard UN Migration Pact is about to begin soon, and the invasion of our countries will even increase. The Agenda behind this is needless to say very sinister! It has earlier been called a "conspiracy theory" but it is obvious not. And I don't think its wise to focus the anger on the foreigner either. It feel like they want a r**ewar and it makes me nervous.

This video is very sad but hard to deny that we are being replaced in our own countries. Defiant (Odysee)

 

[RiskyBoots]

Tucker did not create this theory and has nothing to do with it. It was started by Brenton Harrison Tarrant

 

[TLK Valentine]

Tucker did not create this theory and has nothing to do with it. It was started by Brenton Harrison Tarrant

If he helped spread it then he has plenty to do with it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I believe part of replacement theory includes all minorities or at least it includes a disdain for all minorities.

Good guess but not really....

Are you even aware who came up with it?

A gay French postmodern socialist. A man as about as far left as one gets. It's a far more elaborate argument steeped in postmodern sophistry than I'm going to go into....and it was aimed at the Muslim community entering France.

Why would a gay postmodern French socialist turn hostile to Muslims? Pretty simple really....because Islam is openly hostile to gay people. This isn't controversial, it's a fact. They aren't chucking gay men off rooftops in Muslim countries because they're really open minded.

Is he wrong here? Or not?

Can one justify their hatred by the hatred they perceive as a threat to themselves?

If we're going to talk about replacement theory....fine, let's talk about it. But keep in mind, it's got little to do with the ideological leanings of the shooter. He is an eco-fascist. He believes in a very left wing ideal of technological primitivism, sustainability, and the importance of social community over individualism. The only path he sees to this socialist utopia....is a very right wing nationalistic ethnic cleansing of "inferior races". In short he's a left wing white nationalist.

I can't stress enough how easy it was to see this coming. I've been saying on here for years, the idea of shaming white people into some complicit group identity that only exists to serve the needs of others is a bad idea. It doesn't have any staying power. Nobody really feels ashamed of what someone did long ago, just because they have the same skin color. Nobody, including those claiming to support the idea, wants to give up wealth or opportunities because of their skin color. They either imagine it's someone else giving those things up....or they're just saying it to be politically fashionable. At some point, the inevitable backlash of reasserting a proud white identity will happen...and I'd rather it didn't.

As for Tucker Carlson, I don't think he has a 4chan account and it's hard to blame him for saying what the left has been saying for 2 decades now.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think it also has something to do with stifling the fame of a particular murderer.

And yet the left clearly has a story they want to tell.

I personally don't care what he had to say he was obviously unglued.

Then why make this thread?

 

[rturner76]

Good guess but not really....

Are you even aware who came up with it?

A gay French postmodern socialist. A man as about as far left as one gets. It's a far more elaborate argument steeped in postmodern sophistry than I'm going to go into....and it was aimed at the Muslim community entering France.

Why would a gay postmodern French socialist turn hostile to Muslims? Pretty simple really....because Islam is openly hostile to gay people. This isn't controversial, it's a fact. They aren't chucking gay men off rooftops in Muslim countries because they're really open minded.

Is he wrong here? Or not?

Can one justify their hatred by the hatred they perceive as a threat to themselves?

If we're going to talk about replacement theory....fine, let's talk about it. But keep in mind, it's got little to do with the ideological leanings of the shooter. He is an eco-fascist. He believes in a very left wing ideal of technological primitivism, sustainability, and the importance of social community over individualism. The only path he sees to this socialist utopia....is a very right wing nationalistic ethnic cleansing of "inferior races". In short he's a left wing white nationalist.

I can't stress enough how easy it was to see this coming. I've been saying on here for years, the idea of shaming white people into some complicit group identity that only exists to serve the needs of others is a bad idea. It doesn't have any staying power. Nobody really feels ashamed of what someone did long ago, just because they have the same skin color. Nobody, including those claiming to support the idea, wants to give up wealth or opportunities because of their skin color. They either imagine it's someone else giving those things up....or they're just saying it to be politically fashionable. At some point, the inevitable backlash of reasserting a proud white identity will happen...and I'd rather it didn't.

As for Tucker Carlson, I don't think he has a 4chan account and it's hard to blame him for saying what the left has been saying for 2 decades now.

So he's a left-wing racist according to you. I see a pattern here. Does the right-wing even have any racists or all they all enlightened individualists?

The kid hated minorities. He murdered them. I don't think his reasons are too complicated.

 

[rturner76]

And yet the left clearly has a story they want to tell.

Yes, about stopping racists from massacring people whenever they feel like it. You should get on board.

Then why make this thread?

So I can see ow many people try to justify what he did or somehow blame Liberals for it.

 

[RiskyBoots]

As far as I'm aware, all the theory states is that some group of people floods a prominently (insert race here) community to lower birth rates. I do not see how this is inertly racist. Tons of races claim this happens to them.

 

[RiskyBoots]

Well the government/liberal left does let in minorities as fast as possible just so they can skew votes. All the time on Twitter I see race demographics with people saying "we are destroying white America" or "by blank year blank race will be more common than whites, and we can solve systematic racism (because all white people are racist)"

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well the government/liberal left does let in minorities as fast as possible just so they can skew votes. All the time on Twitter I see race demographics with people saying "we are destroying white America" or "by blank year blank race will be more common than whites, and we can solve systematic racism (because all white people are racist)"

Well, I'm certainly glad that "The Great Replacement" theory is just baseless paranoia, then...

 

[mark46]

This is off topic but I'm willing to see what you have to say

Nitpicking doesn't help much, unless one believes that all guns must be available for all people.

However, scroll down to see the list from the law in place in the US from 1994 to 2004.
Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994–96 (Research in Brief) (ojp.gov)

LET ME BE CLEAR, banning these weapons won't have a large effect on the total number of gun crimes and deaths. However, there will be some effect. And, yes, I do indeed believe that there would be a reduction in deaths at schools. Personally, I believe that police should be given much more powerful weapons than they now have to combat gang crime in cities (paired with the requirement for bodycams).

LET ME BE CLEAR, there are many other steps that are more important than bans in reducing the total number of gun deaths. That does NOT mean that we shouldn't have bans. Background checks, registration of all guns (with a national data base, redflags, and testing and education for all gun owners would help.

And sadly, we probably have come to the point (since much of this won't happen) of needing to have metal detector check points in all schools. And all schools should have armed security on site. Kids need to get used to this kind of intrusion.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So he's a left-wing racist according to you. I see a pattern here.

Do you?

Does the right-wing even have any racists or all they all enlightened individualists?

I'm sure they do....any sufficiently large group does.

The kid hated minorities. He murdered them. I don't think his reasons are too complicated.

They're extremely complicated. Regardless, we can focus on replacement theory. Is it acceptable to oppose an identity group that you perceive as hostile towards your own?

 

[rturner76]

They're extremely complicated. Regardless, we can focus on replacement theory. Is it acceptable to oppose an identity group that you perceive as hostile towards your own?

I guess I don't understand how people immigrating to the USA is threatening his whole identity group. There are certainly people in every ethnic group that feel that way based on what they've been exposed to or taught. It seems someone decided to commit mass murder to combat the threat. I would rather protest the particular law, person, or institution I believe is causing me harm.

To each his own I guess.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, about stopping racists from massacring people whenever they feel like it.

Actually it's about replacement theory...and the blame seems laid upon right wing media and politics....in a really sloppy, blatantly obvious, manner.

You should get on board.

Why? I don't have anything against Carlson. I don't think I've watched anything of him since he had a hoaxer on his show.

So I can see ow many people try to justify what he did or somehow blame Liberals for it.

I don't really blame Liberals for this. For a lot of reasons, replacement theory doesn't hold up....just like CRT.

1. Until this administration, left wing immigration policy was quite reasonable. In attempting to "overcorrect" for Trump, the current administration has tried to grant citizenship to every illegal in the country....and has failed completely on border security. They've gone on to take measures to hide this failure. This is all very recent though, only this administration.

2. A large portion of the left pushes highly racialized politics. This seems to be the result of fake activism and racist tendencies in minority communities. This needs to be better understood though, since the entire history of the US has only ever focused on racism in white communities. While a significant progress had been made by the white community in attitudes towards racist beliefs, less progress has been made in communities who were told to embrace and celebrate their racial, ethnic, and cultural identities. This is most easily identifiable on the left and their completely contradictory responses to terrorism. In the early 2000s, the left wing response to Islamic terrorism was a message that this was very few Muslims and we should not mistreat or generalize the entire community this way. Yet a mere 10 years later....when sporadic white mass shooters were more common, the left's message was one of the evils of white people, punch a nazi, do not tolerate them, indoctrinate children against whiteness, and generally the normalization of anti-white hatred and racism towards whites.

#2 is going to look deliberate to a lot of troubled or poorly educated white people....and it's going to be exploited by some smart and likely racist ones. I don't think it's deliberate though....I just don't think the left is as smart as they imagined themselves.