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The Great Declared Plan of Love ...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by strangertoo, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    Jesus tells us , only 144,000 out of perhaps over 13 billions that ever lived , perhaps one in three million alive today , become saints now [Rev 7:3-8] confirmed as LITERALLY only tens of thousands of saints taken by Jesus at his retrrn - Jude 1:14- ,

    and indeed it is very FEW [Matt 7:14] and the MANY still sinners are destroyed [Matt 7:13] , but countless MANY [and obviously they can only be from the many destroyed , not being few] are saved later BY MEANS OF THE FEW ... [Rev 7:9-10]

    thus salvation by God of His creation is a POWER process as Jesus said in his parables about the GROWTH of the kingdom of God ...

    but how can this be, that according to God's scriptures, mass religion of sinners has salvation completely wrong , teaching that salvation is all at once and putting men in dire false fear to cause them to pay sinners for soothsayings and false hope of salvation through sin, not through perfecting Love, which is God ? :-

    1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

    is not Loving ! Jesus and God both command Love, no more sin , of the few saints of this earth, the MANY of the next life [Rev 7:9-10]

    2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure,
    having this seal:
    The Lord knoweth them that are his.
    Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    simple biblical Truth of God really, but so very different [ironically] from what sinners teach worldwide in DIVIDED mass churches of religion of sinners led astray by sinners , blind leading the blind ,just as Jesus said MUST happen ...

    so LOOK how God does it ... Jesus saves 144.000 because Satan cannot tempt Jesus to sin [proving man is not born in sin as many sinners bizarrely claim]

    then God PERFECTS the Love of these few in baptism of 'fire' after baptism of the spirit [to know all Truth from God -John 16:13] and baptism in water [to stop sinning, die to any more sin - e.g. Rom 6;1-2] :-

    1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

    1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

    Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

    thus in trial the FEW saints are perfected in Love , a few in every generation because the church of God's few saints never dies out , they search the whole earth to find the next generation of saints , just as Jesus commanded his followers to do always [but sinners do not do this, they just enlist more sinners to massive churches of sinners taught deceptive soothsayings by sinners] :-

    Matt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    the kingdom is 'at hand' in THIS earth ONLY in the hearts and minds of the few saints, that is the meaning of this saying, that the few saints are the only one's who obey God in the whole earth now ...

    SO by this means Jesus takes 144,000, just tens of thousands of saints when he returns - Jude 1:14 doubly confirms this , LITERALLY just tens of thousands out of over 13 billions ...

    but each one becomes as perfect as Jesus in the thousand uears Satan and ALL still sinners by Jesus' return are shut away in death :-

    Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    WHY? - because God's kingdom acts like a ratchet, first Jesus is PERFECT, unable to be corrupted by Satan and this world of lying and cheating sin ...
    then he brings back 144,000 to become perfect too , incorruptible, never to sin again even when all men are resurrected and Satan with them to lead billions against the kingdom come in the new earth [for this earth is destroyed by man's sin as we see happening now]

    EACH then of the 144,000 stands against Satan in the new earth kingdom come and brings in a similar number , up to 144,000...

    that is up to 20 billion can be saved in the new earth kingdom ...

    that is the countless many Jesus says are LATER saved , not at his return, but after death in the kingdom where ALL sinners are resurrected from hell and death to be judges by works AFTER being freed from sin by DEATH, not by grace which saved the FEW saints :-

    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

    Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    That then is WHY God requires but a very FEW , one in three million alive today, from this earth ... it is because mankind is not READY yet to stop sinning against one another and live in peace as God commands the saints to do BY LOVE of one another

    but STEADILY God will save the many later in the kingdom ,will plead His Truth with ALL men eventually -Joel 2:28- just as he did baptise all the saints in this earth once they stopped sinning :-

    2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure,
    having this seal:
    The Lord knoweth them that are his.
    Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    thus we see Jesus rejects ALL still sinners by his return :-

    Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

    knowing that they will be destroyed in this earth in this life
    , but that countless many will later be saved [after resurrection of ALL from hell [unlike the teachings of sinners in mass churches] - Rev 7:9-10 - BY WORKS of Love after being freed from sin by death , MANY Loving in the kingdom come in the new earth ...

    SO the FEW who become kings and priests of the kingdom SERVE God and the MANY LATER all resurrected from hell, to save countless many of the MANY later [by the 'Great White Throne' judgement day] -Rev 7:9-10]

    and those who sin still in the kingdom after baptism of the spirit of all flesh [Joel 2:28] have their baptism of 'fire' in the lake of 'fire' to bring them ro see sin first hand, the most evil of men finally suffering their own devices by which they robbed the poor, God Love by poetic justice :-

    Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

    Psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

    thus God deals justice by Love to the very end , lets man see where sin leads because Love can only be FREELY CHOSEN once men see it is the BETTER way to live for all ... so all men will acce4pt Jesus' way of Love in the end , but NOT all at once, it takes a LONG time and three phases of God's GREAT Plan of salvation, beginning with Jesus saving the FEW, the very FEW saints in this life, this earth...

    NOTE then that Jesus TELLS us himself, ALL creation WILL accept him GLADLY, WILLINGLY in the end, so be glad that sinners worldwide are WRONG in the teachings of the mass churches of sinners, all will be saved according to Jesus, and only FEW are saved at his return :-

    Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgement and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    ... never will be so much owed by so many to so few and first of all to Jesus who began this powerful great work of Love, of salvation of all by Love alone, God's great DECLARED Plan which so many now will ignore, have ignored ...

    so do not fear death, saint or sinners :-

    ... the wages of sin are death , but only death , after one makes one's own life a conflict and others lives a misery with ones sin... why ?

    because God is Love , sin brings only death which frees a man of THIS WORLD which MUST die itself because it is it and its universe were created , God ends the heavens once all who freely choose to DO only Love in this life have been killed and/or translated BEFORE the sin of the MANY destroys life on earth [as we now see is imminent , the web of life already broken as most live by greed in the rat-race evil men create for the many by means of fear and bad monetary and other laws [notably company laws which absolve greedy men of any responsibility as they rape the earth for empty foolish 'profit', simply death in fact but they do not see there is anything else ...

    Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
    -or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

    the point Matthew is making is that one can only perfect Love IN LIFE , so death is always one more lost chance to find out Love makes folks happy sin makes all sad in the end , no real contest then, just much shallow thinking by many about life and foolish fear of death which God sends only to free one from sin one cannot
    free oneself of ...

    Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    death is God's gift for hopeless sinners , because all are freed from sin who die sinners , hell cannot hold anyone indefinitely [unlike what many religious sinners paradoxically claim ], Jesus' promise on that :-

    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    thus all men are resurrected from hell , the saints who died can thus be translated to spirit immediately as their Love is perfected before Jesus' return in THIS life ,but so FEW tens of thousands only from all history [Jude 1:14]

    yet the FEW , 144,000 [Rev 7:3-8] of Israel as God prophesied, are ENOUGH for God's power plan because they are all images of Christ Jesus ... each can save as many again in the kingdom come once God creates the new earth big enough for billions [twice as many and more as are now alive in this earth] are resurrected from hell freed of sin - so countless many are saved by works [see above quote], not grace, in the kingdom come in the larger and righteous new earth :-

    2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    because God knew He would not convince primitive mankind of this earth to stop sinning before we destroyed ourselves with empty sin , almost all of us [Matt 7:13], sinners following sinners even in mass religion, all following Satan and calling him 'god and Christ, but the IMAGE in mass religion is FALSE , subtle , but not the true God and Christ of LOVE ...

    Rev 13:3 ... all the world wondered after the beast.
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    understand from Jesus then that only about two thousand alive today will escape this belief that the man of sin, Satan cast into the earth as a man, manifested like the other covering cherub (at the right hand of God, Logos) [c/f. Ezek 28] but this one is created AND given power over almost ALL MEN in THIS world, ALL mass religion and all secular power too, a one world army that no-one can challenge which overcomes even saints because they Love folks and can hardly bear to oppose the whole world worshipping in UNITY ... Jesus has to come back EARLY because else the few saints would not be saved , but sin ,Satan's persuasion is that strong, subtle deceptions that can fool anyone but Jesus and God ... do not underestimate this power GIVEN by God for the purpose of trial of Love because the FEW MUST be PERFECT in Love, incorruptible...

    Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

    so there is still work to be done with the FEW saints in the thousand years, so God shuts Satan up in death along with destroying ALL still sinners by Jesus' return [destroyed in the end of THIS earth and heavens]

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  2. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

    Christian Seeker
    the FEW must be incorruptible and must manifest in the new earth to create , build, the pure kingdom come where God will again dwell with man because men in the kingdom come are righteous, billions of Loving folks loving happy lives of Love with one another whilst any who sin are thrown out to the final baptism of 'fire in the 'lake of fire'

    a second death to free the sinners of the new earth from sin yet again, and then no more death , death and hell cast into the lake of fire ... so 'hell' ['hades', 'sheol'] is not 'eternal' at all, just lasts to the age ... which one should realise simply from the fact that hell is created, it simply is impossible for it not to end...

    the other side of that 'coin' is that the spirit of a man is of God , no matter what good or evil he does, it is the same to God [for God does not change , evil is created so it ends, good is created so it too ends] ... but what then happens to mankind? ... the body must end eventually, but just as Jesus never died a second time after resurrection, so it is with all men, the spirit if of God, endless, no man's spirit even can be destroyed , any more than one can destroy God ...

    so in fact Love PROVES that all men will be translated, changed to spirit, just as Enoch 'disappeared' from earth long ago and Jesus too just vanished from the earth long after his resurrection, no second death,no second burial, no second tomb...

    Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    read it carefully then, there is much to learn from a man who was good enough that God saved him even from death , translated him to be with God in spirit and no-one could find him any more on this earth...

    then realise this is how the 24 elders of the Hebrews all got to be with God long before Jesus came ... :)

    note too the manifestation of men alive whom most think/thought must be dead :-

    Matthew 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

    learn then just one thing from faith in scripture, that if one stops sinning God will reveal all Truth and the future to you too [John 16:13] ,but if you sin then you become servant to sin and Satan and so God must allow sinners to die to FREE them from sin, death is not to be feared by ANYONE ... to saints it is consistently the perfection of their Love ...

    John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God,
    who is the Saviour of all men....
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2012
  3. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

    Christian Seeker
    1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    One cannot know Jesus if one sins any longer ... grace is for saints, to forgive past sins, not for those still desiring to sin... Jesus commands Love, sin is ABUSE, not Love... sinners are abusers, not of God yet ...

    all can change, all will change, no matter what Satan teaches worldwide in churches of DIVIDED mass religion of sinners led by sinners [blind leading the blind into hell and death for sin , those who will not listen to Jesus' commandment to Love, not sin any more ... why follow Satan as a sinner just because most do ? -Rev 13:3-4

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    sin is not destroyed until you too stop doing it, stop sinning, LOVE , follow Jesus by Love, not the devil by sin...
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  4. AwakenedOne

    AwakenedOne Newbie

    I agree with almost everything you are saying. There are a few things I would like to point out for the sake of a few who might be listening(reading).

    I agree that there are few saints in the world today. I do not believe there are only 144,000. I don't know the actual number but it is more than a million. There are many who are walking in love and do not sin(do not hurt one another). Compared to modern day self proclaiming Christians the number is FEW.

    The 144,000 in Revelation are Jews as it states 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.

    Enoch was prophesying about the early Saints in the days just after the Resurrection of Christ. Remember, Jesus told His disciples just before He died on the cross: "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28 Meaning many He was talking too right then would not die until they saw the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom. The true saints saw Him coming in his Kingdom on the day of pentecost.

    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men(the men who were bringing in heresy to the early church, see previous verses): “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones(there were thousands and thousands of Saints after the first outpouring of the Holy Spirit.) 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”(The Word of Truth did this through the mouths of Saints to the wicked unbelieving, sinning generation at that time) 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

    Now, There were indeed thousands at first but now these thousands have been planted into the ground and in this time are producing millions. Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds."

    Christ the first Seed died. It produced many more seeds. They died (more seeds were planted) Now the number is much more than tens of thousands. It is millions. They have "come out from among her" and they are the scattered Remnant. They are walking in love and are trees bearing forth fruit.

    "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" 2 Thess 2:8

    "God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed." 2 Thess 1:6-10

    This is happening now. Christ is here now IN HIS saints as a thief in the night. He is gathering His army. Many are awakening and many more when the Everlasting Gospel is preached to those who dwell upon the earth.

    The truth of the Gospel and the simplicity of love will shine light and judge the Great Harlot and her daughters and the Spirit of Truth(out of the mouth of His Saints)will consume the antichrist spirit.

    God is gathering His Elect right now as we speak. There are millions who are awakening to the Truth and who God has prepared and who walk in love.

    There are not just thousands. The first group, the Early Apostles and that first movement they lead is what is making this next movement possible. They took the brunt of it, they were met with the greatest opposition and death. They were the ones who were killed, tortured, crucified and who ridiculed. They are the ones who were beheaded and who against insurmountable odds preached the gospel to the Gentiles and who fought against the Roman Church.

    They were the thousands you speak of. IN this day and age, there are millions and God is raising them up. They will with ONE VOICE, proclaim the Everlasting Gospel of Jesus Christ(The Gospel of Love) and the world will hear.

    "And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

    The son of man is appearing right now and faith is rare(Faith that produces works). The Word of truth is rare. Out of 6+ billion people in the earth, millions is still FEW. There is still much work to do. But we have the power and glory of Christ with us.

    The world will hear the truth once the Elect rise up and proclaim it.
  5. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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