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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Oct 14, 2019.

  1. keras

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    Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath 1 is near, very near and coming quickly. Listen for the sound of that Day 2. When it comes, even the warriors will panic and be terrified.

    That Day will be a day of great fury, a day of distress and torment, a day of destruction and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick blackness, a day of the shofar battle call against fortifications and upon all military strength 3.

    Because the people have sinned against the Lord, He will bring a shocking disaster to all those who live in the holy Land. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. Their strength and riches will not save them on the Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, the whole Land will be burnt and devastated. For He will make an end, a horrible end of all who live in the holy Land 4.


    Isaiah 13:9-13 Here comes the Day of the Lord’s wrath; a Day full of fury and the outpoured wrath of the Lord. The whole earth will be devastated 5 and the ungodly people will be destroyed.

    On that Day, you will not have any light from the sun, the moon or the stars 6. The sky will tremble and shudder and the earth will be shaken from is place 7.

    On that Day, humans will become scarce, they will be as rare as fine gold, after the Day of the Lord’s blazing anger 8.



    Isaiah 24:1-13 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, ruin and devastate it. All the world’s inhabitants, without exception, will be severely affected 9. For the Lord has spoked this Word: The whole world is defiled by its peoples, they have changed the Laws, ignored the Statutes and broken the everlasting Covenant.

    Therefore My curse will consume the earth and its inhabitants will suffer punishment. They are burned up and very few are left 10. There will no longer be revelry and partying, the sounds of music and song will cease.

    The cities and towns will be in chaos 11, every house locked and the people gone. They will be deserted, with all the roads and bridges destroyed. It will be like that throughout the world, in all the nations, just like an olive tree, beaten and stripped after the harvest.
    Ref: NIV, KJV, CJB, REB. Some verses condensed.


    1/ This Great Day is the Lord’s Judgement/Punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 Nothing like what is prophesied above has happen to the world since Noah’s Flood.

    Now, as 2 Peter 3:7 says: The earth is reserved for burning…. We are told that God will bring out of His storehouseDeuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, the sun: Isaiah 30:26, by a massive explosion, that will cause all the vividly described effects. It will affect every nation on earth, as it revolves; just for the daylight hours.

    This worldwide disaster will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by her enemies. Haggai 2:6, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 83:1-18, Romans 1:18, Revelation 6:12-17

    2/ The great sound will be heard around the world. Jeremiah 25:30-31, Jeremiah 51:54-55, Isaiah 29:6, Joel 2:1

    3/ All the kinds of military powers will be destroyed, especially the nuclear weapons neutralized. Jeremiah 49:35, Jeremiah 50:22-27, Hosea 2:18, Amos 5:9, Micah 5:10-11, Isaiah 32:14, Hosea 8:14

    4/ All of the holy Land will be devastated and depopulated: Jeremiah 12:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Micah 1:6, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 6:11-12

    5/ The whole world will be severely affected: Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:3, Nahum 1:5, Jeremiah 25:32

    6/ There will be no natural light, caused by the electrically induced atmospheric changes and smoke from the fires and volcanoes. Isaiah 47:3, Amos 5:20, Joel 2:2, Jeremiah 4:23, Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:13the sky rolled up like a scroll…..

    7/ The earth will be pushed along its orbital track, bringing us back to a 360 day year. Isaiah 13:13, Haggai 2:21-22, Joel 2:10, Psalms 18:7

    8/ Possibly up to 2/3 of the world’s population will die. Evil peoples will be destroyed. This Judgement by fire will be God’s second reset of human civilization and similar in magnitude to the Flood. Isaiah 26:21, Isaiah 51:6, Isaiah 30:30, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Ezekiel 21:21, Revelation 14:17-20

    9/ Everybody now alive will experience this terrible time, it will fall upon all and test the worth of each person. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13, Luke 21:35, John 17:15, Revelation 3:19, Psalms 118:17-18

    10/ The Middle East region will be the most affected by the direct hit of this CME, but many will die around the world from the resultant earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. Isaiah 33:10-13, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 37:20, Amos 5:8, Nahum 1:8

    11/ After this worldwide disaster that will destroy our modern infrastructure, to restore law and order, the survivors will establish a One World Government. There will be ten regions, each ruled by a President. Daniel 11:21-24, Revelation 17:12. But the new nation, in all of the holy Land, called Beulah, will not be a part of the OWG. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:1-13


    Isaiah 24:14-16 & 23 The Lord’s people lift their voices, they shout for joy. His righteous people in the West, in the East and on the islands of the sea: all giving honour to the God of Israel. From the ends of the earth, we hear them singing: Glory to God, our Saviour and Redeemer.

    Zechariah 8:4-6 The Lord says: I am about to rescue My people and bring them back to live in the holy Land. Once again old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem and the place will be full if children at play. Even if this seems impossible to those who remain in those days, will it be impossible for Me?

    Revelation 7:9-10 I saw a vast throng, [in Jerusalem] too many to count; people from all races, every tribe, nation and language, standing before the throne of the Lamb. They were robed in white and had palm branches in their hands. They shouted: Victory to our God and to the Lamb who sits on the throne!

    Note that Jesus will be revealed to His own before His Return. 2 Thess. 1:10, Rev 14:1


    All those people who are faithful to God and accept the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, are ‘accounted worthy’. Colossians 1:10-12, 2 Peter 3:14 They are all deemed to be Israelites, whether by descent or by grafting in. Galatians 3:26-29

    They will be protected during the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath, Joel 3:32, Isaiah 43:2, and the Lord will provide ways of transportation for them. Psalms 68:17, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 66:20 They will gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 49:8-23, Zechariah 10:8-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9 The Lord will give them new names: Isaiah 62:1-5 and a new language: Zephaniah 3:9
     
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    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
    "great day" occurs 5 times in 5 verses


    Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near; It is near and hastens quickly.
    The noise of the day of the LORD is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out.

    Jhn 7:37
    Now on the last day, the great day of the feast
    , Jesus stood and cried out, saying,
    “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink
    . ["living water" Revelation 7:16 Revelation 21:6 Revelation 22:17]

    Jde 1:6
    And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

    "day of god" occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the NKJV.

    2Pe 3:12
    looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
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    Rev 6:17
    for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

    Rev 16:14
    for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
     
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  3. keras

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    A very mixed up and practically useless way to understand prophecy.

    Joel 3:31 calls it the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.
    Nothing like what is prophesied about the Day the Lord will send fire, Amos 1, 2 Peter 3:7, Hebrews 10:27, +, has happened yet.
    We Bible believers should know all about it, we have plenty of warning.
    We, my friends; are not in the dark, 1 Thess 5:4 Only 'in the dark', if you choose to reject the prophesies and fail to understand the Plans that God has for His people.
     
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    I could quote all the verses that has "day of the lord".......would that be better?

    Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
    "day" AND "of" AND "the" AND "lord"
    occurs 2801 times in 323 verses in the NKJV, including 24 exact phrases shown first.
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    exact matches (Isa 2:12–2Pe 3:10)
    inexact matches (Gen 2:4–Lev 7:36)

    1st and last verses used in OT:

    Isa 2:12
    For the day of the LORD of hosts
    Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
    Upon everything lifted up—
    And it shall be brought low—

    Mal 4:5
    Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
    Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
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    Used in NT

    Act 2:20
    The sun shall be turned into darkness,
    And the moon into blood,
    Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.


    1Co 5:5
    deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[fn]

    2Co 1:14
    (as also you have understood us in part), that we are your boast as you also are ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus.
    Tools

    1Th 5:2
    For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

    2Pe 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[fn]
     
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    No, it would be just your usual jumble of mixed up prophesies.

    There have been and will be many Days that the Lord has taken action on earth. The one that we should know about and be prepared for, is the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun. Prophesied over 100 times in our Bibles.
     
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    2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


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    I have pointed out before, your error in thinking 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, is a description of Jesus' Return. What is described there, is the great Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal, that happens about 10 years before the Return.
    Proved by how Jesus only reveals Himself to His own people. Paralleled by Isaiah 24:1-22, that describes in vivid detail the Day of wrath and then how the Lord will later become KIng in Jerusalem, as described in Matthew 24:29-30. AFTER that time of distress has passed......
     
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    Can you tell us where you came up with... "about 10 years before the Return"?

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    We know there will be a seven year period before Jesus Returns. Made up from 2- 3 1/2 year halves. the first half will be peaceful, but the second will be the Great Tribulation.
    But before this final seven years, time is needed to establish a One World Govt, of which the eventual leader must attain dictatorship, by guile and force. Described in Daniel 11:21-22 and Revelation 17:12-13

    This, and there are other means I believe; that prove a 10 +/- year period between the Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's wrath and the glorious Return.
     
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    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


    Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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    Fulfilled in 70AD.......Read Josephus...............

    Luke 21:
    22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written
    23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! [Luke 23:29]
    For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath upon this people.

    Luke 23:
    28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
    29 That behold! Are coming Days in which they shall be declaring 'happy are the barren-ones. and the wombs which not generate, and breasts which not suckle.
    [Luke 21:29]
    30 Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the Mountains: 'Be falling on us'!, and to the Hills 'Cover us'! [Revelation 6:16]

    31 That if in this, the moist wood, they are doing, in the dry what may-be-becoming?
    [Isaiah 4:4/Reve 18:19]

    Revelation 6:
    16 They are saying to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lambkin! [Luke 23:30]
    17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Also see: Rapture refuted

    Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
    The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.
    . At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes. Indeed, humanity at once shudders and sickens at the narration, nor can any one of the least sensibility reflect upon the pitiable condition to which the female part of the inhabitants of Jerusalem must at this time have been reduced, without experiencing the tenderest emotions of sympathy, or refrain from tears while he reads our SAVIOUR'S pathetic address to the women who " bewailed him" as he was led to Calvary, wherein he evidently refers to these very calamities : "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but for yourselves and fur your children ; for, behold, the days are coming in which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck." Luke xxiii. 29.
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    Revelation 9:6
    And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
    and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.
     
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    No greatest earthquake in history during 70 AD...

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

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    Armegeddon /Supper of the great God was fulfilled in 70AD........
    Please visit my body, carcass and eagles thread:


    "WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

    4430. ptoma from the alternate of 4098;
    a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.
    G4430 πτῶμα (ptōma), occurs 5 times in 4 verses

    Matthew 24:28

    for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together<4863>.

    4983 soma from 4982;
    the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave
    G4983 σῶμα (sōma), occurs 146 times in 122 verses

    Luke 17:37

    And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
    and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together<1996>.'

    #4430 used in 3 other verses:

    The body of John the Baptist in Mark 6, and bodies of 2 witnesses in Revelation 11.

    Mark 6:
    24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
    27 And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,
    29 And when is disciples heard of it, they came
    and took up his corpse<4430> and laid it in a tomb.


    Revelation 11:
    8 And their corpses<4430> shall lie in the street<4113> of the great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,

    where also our Lord was crucified.
    9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their corpse/s G4430 three days and an half,
    and shall not suffer their corpses G4430 to be put in a tomb<3418>
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    Luke uses G4983

    4983 soma from 4982;
    the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave
    G4983 σῶμα (sōma), occurs 146 times in 122 verses [Used in 1 verse of Revelation]

    Luke 17:37
    And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
    and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.'


    Revelation 18:13
    “and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies<4983> and souls of men.

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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
    Also see: Rapture refuted

    Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive

    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

    James 5:
    5 ye luxuriate upon the land and ye squander, ye nourish the hearts of ye, in Day of-Slaughter

    8 be ye patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared<1448>
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    Revelation 19
    17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven,
    "hither! be ye being gathered!<4863> into the Supper of the Great God.

    18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]
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    Jeremiah 19:
    2 “And go out to the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is by the entry of the Potsherd Gate; and proclaim there the words that I will tell you,
    6 “therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.


    Isa 30:25
    There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill
    Rivers and streams of waters,
    In the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.


     
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    We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
    ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
    the Father (Matthew 6:9)
    Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
    Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
    and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
    And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
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    Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
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    True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
    Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
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    and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
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    whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
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    I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
    and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)

    AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

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    Read Josephus on the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse.............
    I subscribe to all 3 of these views which are considered orthodox views on CF:

    Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
    SOP for Eschatology board..............
    • Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.
    • Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
    Millennialism:
    • Amillennialism: "no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age.
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    70ad:
    A coming (parousia) of Christ
    A day of the Lord
    A judgment
    The end of the Jewish Age [Matthew 24:3]
    (Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)

    Still future:
    The Coming (parousia) of Christ
    The Day of the Lord
    The Resurrection of the dead
    The Rapture of the living
    The (final) Judgment
    The end of history

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    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
    Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia
    and full-end of the Age?

    Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"


    Matthew and Mark shows them on the Mount of Olives.
    Peter and James and John and Andrew are shown in Mark
    All 3 ask these 2 questions "when shall these be? and what the sign?"
    Matthew 24 has "sign of Thy parousia<2952>
    and full end of the age.
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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
    Also see:
    Rapture refuted

    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
    when shall these be being?
    and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-consummation<4930> of the Age?

    Mark 13
    3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
    Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
    4 Tell us! when these shall be?
    and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully-consummated<4931>.

    Luke 21
    7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
    when then shall these be being?
    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?
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    Jeremiah 19:6 “therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.

    Isa 30:25
    There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill Rivers and streams of waters,
    In the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
    Also see:
    Rapture refuted
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    Jerusalem was built on two mountains. Three celebrated walls surrounded the city on every side, except that which was deemed inaccessible, and there it was defended by one wall only. The most ancient of these walls was remarkable for its great strength, and was, moreover, erected on a hanging rock, and fortified by sixty towers. on the middle wall there were fourteen towers only ; but on the third, which was also distinguished by the extraordinary merit of its architecture, there were no less than ninety. The celebrated tower of Psephinos, before which Titus at first encamped, was erected on this latter wall, and even excelled it in the superior style of its architecture : it was seventy cubits high and had eight angles, each of which commanded most extensive and beautiful prospects. In clear weather, the spectator had from them a view of the Mediterranean sea, of Arabia, and of the whole extent of the Jewish dominions. Besides this there were three other towers of great magnitude, named Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne. The two former, famed for their strength and grandeur, were nearly ninety cubits high ; the latter, for its valuable curiosities, beauty and elegance, was about fifty five cubits. They were all built of white marble ; and so exquisite was the workmanship, that each of them appeared as if it had been hewn out of an immense single block of it. Notwithstanding their great elevation, they yet must have appeared, from the surrounding country, far loftier than they really were. The old wall, it has just been remarked, was built upon a high rock : but these towers were erected upon the top of a hill, the summit of which was itself thirty cubits above the top of the old wall ! Such edifices, so situated, it is easy to conceive, must have give to the city a very great degree of grandeur and magnificence................................................

    The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins
    ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.
    Thus terminated the glory and existence of this sacred and venerable Edifice...............

    The Romans having become masters of the lower city, set it on fire. The Jews now fled to the higher, from whence, their pride and insolence yet unabated, they continued to exasperate their enemies and even appeared to view the burning of the town below them with tokens of pleasure. In a short time, however, the walls of the higher city were demolished by the Roman engines and the Jews, lately so-haughty and presumptuous now, trembling and panic-struck, fell on their faces, and deplored their own infatuation. Such as were in the towers, deemed impregnable to human force, beyond measure affrighted, strangely forsook them, and sought refuge in caverns and subterraneous passages ; in which dismal retreats no less than two thousand dead bodies were afterwards found. Thus, as our Lord had predicted, did these miserable creatures, in effect, say "to the mountains, 'Fall on us;' and to the rocks, ' Cover us." (Luke xxiii. 20.)............

    Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?" After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory. There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection....................

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made.

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    Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."

    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

    Isa 30:25
    There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill
    Rivers and streams of waters,
    In the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.


    Jeremiah 19:
    2 “And go out to the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is by the entry of the Potsherd Gate; and proclaim there the words that I will tell you,
    6 “therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.


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  16. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    Matt 24:6..The Jewish Wars in 1st century...Up to 70ad and Masada
    Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive
    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."

    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

     
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  17. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    I googled a list of battle causalities. The siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD isn't even mentioned. But there have been plenty with a huge death toll all thru the ages.

    You; LLoJ, seem to specialize in flooding threads with your diversions and irrelevant rubbish. Haven't you got something better to do? Try another hobby; gardening perhaps?
     
  18. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and has handed over the wicked and godless to the sword.

    The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.

    Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.

    Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, CJB.

    It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.
    In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fireAmos 1, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20

    Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of a massive earth directed C M E. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

    The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be enough survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce them to ash. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22
    Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12


    The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and to be Spiritually and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because He plans for the good of His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11

    As all the faithful Christians gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26.....in the very place, [that ancient Israel was rejected] you Christians will be called the children of the Living God.

    Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light. To come later; in the Millennium.
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    Ummm news flash.......there are already Christians settled in Israel and Jerusalem......Christians are now the Head and not the Tail now and forever......God says so right here:

    Deuteronomy 28:
    1 'And it hath been, if thou dost hearken diligently to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to observe to do all His commands which I am commanding thee to-day, that Jehovah thy God hath made thee uppermost above all the nations of the earth,
    13 ‘And Yahweh hath given thee for head, and not for tail; and thou hast been only above, and art not beneath, for thou dost hearken unto the commands of Jehovah thy God, which I am commanding thee to-day, to keep and to do,

    15'And it hath been, if thou dost not hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God to observe to do all His commands, and His statutes, which I am commanding thee to-day, that all these revilings have come upon thee, and overtaken thee:
    44 “He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

    Isaiah 9:
    14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel, Palm branch and bulrush in ONE DAY.
    15 The elder and honorable, he is the head; The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.
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    Revelation 18:8 Thru this in ONE DAY shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,death and sorrow and famine. And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>, that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.
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  20. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    So we can look forward to gay parades, living with atheist's and Muslims?
    Why don't you post some actual commonsense, instead of your funny notions?
     
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