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Featured The Great Commission

Discussion in 'Christian Advice' started by mathinspiration, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. mathinspiration

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    What is the Great Commission? How do you accomplish it and why? What would be your recommendations to accomplish The Great Commission?
     
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  2. timothyu

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    Simple. Jesus, not the church, said...

    Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom...

    Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
     
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    I think the great commission is grossly misunderstood. The great commission is the offensive of Christianity. Jesus said to his apostles "go forth into all the world...". That was after three years of instruction. He did not say that to everyone, just as he did not give to everyone the authority to forgive sins, that was given only to the apostles.

    We are all told to provide the defensive of Christianity:

    [​IMG]1Pe 3:15 - ...always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

    Most people are ill equipped to evangelize. It's best left to the evangelists.
     
  5. St_Worm2

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    Hi Mathinspiration, the "Great Commission" was given to us by Jesus after His Resurrection and shortly before His Ascension. Matthew 28's "make disciples" is the "Great Commission" proper, and baptizing/teaching/going is what we do to carry it out. You will also find it (in part) in the last Chapter of Mark and the first Chapter of Acts.

    Matthew 28
    19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
    20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

    Mark 16
    15 Jesus said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation".

    Acts of the Apostles 1
    8 "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”​

    --David
     
  6. timothyu

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    And par for the course, the Gospel of the Kingdom is left out
     
  7. St_Worm2

    St_Worm2 Senior Member Supporter

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    Hi Timothy, the "Great Commission" is what it is. Since the Great Commission is comprised of some of the very last words that Jesus spoke to us while He still walked among us, I also believe that 1. it is very important (and therefore very important for us to know and understand) and 2. that the Lord was especially careful and precise about the words He chose to use to compose it.

    On a completely different note, I've asked you to give us 'your' understanding of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (so that we can be sure that we know what you mean by it), because I've found over the years that there are several different definitions of it running around the online Christian world. So I'd love to finally know what you mean by it, what you believe it encompasses, how you believe it impacts us and our daily walks as Christians, etc., because it's clearly of the utmost importance to you.

    Thanks!

    --David
     
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  8. timothyu

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    The Gospel of the Kingdom is what Jesus started it to be in all of His teachings and in no way represents what came later as gospels in the Christian religion. The Kingdom was the cornerstone of all His teachings which in itself caused a problem for those of and loyal to the world of man created on self serving principles.

    Jesus based all of His teaching on the concept of the Kingdom. The later gentile religion could not do so as it had abandoned Jesus and the Kingdom and returned itself to the world of man by aligning itself with the kingdoms of man (to this day for the most part). Those who are a part of this religion that whored itself back to Babylon (as Peter called Rome or we may call the world) will of course seek any means to self justify their allegiance to that which is not the governance of God.

    It is this good news of His Kingdom in it's entirety of nature and fruition that He sent them out in the end to spread throughout the nations. Not what a rebellious church taught later which for the most part eliminates the Kingdom due to it's rebellion towards the Kingdom while forming their own kingdoms of man.
     
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  9. St_Worm2

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    Thanks Timothy, but unlike the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which most concisely stated is, "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus Christ and Him crucified", I'd still love it if you would actually "define" what you mean by the phrase, the "Gospel of the Kingdom", as well all that you believe it entails.

    The Gospel of the Kingdom is not, in essence, the Great Commission, but it will be preached until the end has come (according to the Lord .. Matthew 24:14), so please tell us what you believe it is, not what it is not ;)

    When you say that it is, "the good news of His Kingdom", what do you mean be that, precisely (IOW, what is the "good news" as you understand it), and what is the 'bad news' that it came to fix or replace?

    Thanks again!

    --David
     
  10. timothyu

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    Just did, so never mind other than to say it is backwards to the default world of man. But of course according to Jesus that makes mankind the backwards ones.
     
  11. FutureAndAHope

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    As Christians we should have a focus on sharing our faith. There are many ways to do this. It can be a simple as sharing your faith with your friends on Facebook, or writing up a gospel tract printing it off and putting it in letter boxes around your neighbor hood. Or seeking opportunity to share with work mates, or friends. I always feel like I could do more in this area of life, and I am sure the Holy Spirit would have me do more, but just start with what you have, start with the simple things, and let God move you in the direction he has for you.
     
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  12. St_Worm2

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    Hi again @timothyu, I believe I referred to a similar definition of yours concerning the Gospel of the Kingdom as "cryptic" not too long ago, and I see nothing in your newest explanation above that would cause me to change my opinion. In fact, "cryptic" almost seems an understatement when it comes to your "definition" of this particular subject ;)

    The Gospel of the Kingdom (whatever your understanding of it is), is unquestionably of utmost importance to you, because you mention it in nearly all of your posts here, so why not let us know what you believe it is too? I'm certain that you are able to do so, so please don't keep us in suspense any longer, tell us what it is by giving us a clear, unveiled definition that we can all easily comprehend/grasp, you know, an answer w/o any horns.

    Or are you perhaps keeping your meaning concealed because it would break the CF 'Christians Only' board rules if you stated it to us plainly, such that you'd need to "take the 5th" (so to speak ^_^) to be able to continue posting here? If this is the reason, then I don't agree with your choice to do so (because concealing what you mean and/or continually talking around it does no one any good), but I would certainly understand why you are doing it if that's the case ;)

    --David


    (I will say that you often seem anti-Pauline, even through the veil .............. but sadly, we may never know :unbelievable:)
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  13. timothyu

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    Discredit and make vague insinuations if you wish. I'm fine with it.
     
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    Does that mean forwarding Jesus Gospel or forwarding a religion?
     
  15. Ttalkkugjil

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    "The Great Commission" is Jesus' charge to his followers that they should make disciples of all people-groups. This discipling should be done by two means of grace.

    First there is the means of making disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; into the name, as confessing the name which summarizes the Christian creed.

    Second, there is the means of forming disciples by teaching them to observe things which Jesus has committed to His disciples, to expound to them God's counsel to their salvation. The Gospel's Word, God's Word, will be the content of preaching in the Church.

    And if his commission is carried out thusly, then his promise also will stand, that he'll be with us until time's end. When this age comes to its close, when Jesus will usher in the new age by his Judgment Day's dawn, then only will the Church's work end.
     
  16. St_Worm2

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    Hi again Timothy, I'm just trying to make light of your continual refusal to clearly explain what you believe, with the added hope that by doing so*, you may yet choose to be a little more forthcoming sometime in the future ;)

    *(I do admit to just a bit of friendly "prodding" here, but it was done with the best of intentions :))

    I'm certainly not trying to discredit you in any way, because I know that you will either tell us what you mean in good time .. or you won't (who knows, if I knew what you meant, I might be on the very same page/in total agreement with you about all of it :preach: :oldthumbsup::tutu:).

    --David
     
  17. timothyu

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    And you I am sure are familiar with the teachings of Jesus. The answer you seek is there in those scriptures.
     
  18. St_Worm2

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    Thanks for continuing in complete stealth mode Timothy :rolleyes: If nothing else, I suppose there is at least a kind of reassurance that happens when certain things never change :p

    Hmmm, perhaps a somewhat different approach will allow you to bring what you believe into the light (and least in small part anyway) without revealing the whole of whatever it is that you seem so utterly determined to keep hidden from us (or maybe it won't, but you have to at least give me kudos for continuing to try :D).

    That said, here's one for instance, how does your understanding of the Gospel of the Kingdom square with this central teaching of Jesus'?

    "He who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life" .. John 5:24

    Thanks!

    --David
     
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  19. timothyu

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    First of all it is not a doctrine but a Gospel, His only gospel. Second, what your scripture refers to is an understanding of the will of man vs the will of God and how we are to reject one for other. No place in the Kingdom for those who act in and defend the will and ways of man.
     
  20. St_Worm2

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    Hi Timothy, you know, I look at v24 and am continually AMAZED at how much the Lord was able to reveal to us in that single verse :) Nevertheless, the meaning of John 5:24 is as plain as any verse in the Bible, because the Lord clearly and lovingly labored to make it so (for our sakes).

    As for your understanding of/comments about v24, all I can do, sadly, is guess at your meaning, because for whatever reason, you've chosen to hide it again.

    You know what, as I think about it, telling us what you actually mean is impossible for you to do, because explaining what you just said about v24, for instance, would force your hand and cause you to reveal the meaning of your principle "mystery", and you shouldn't do what you clearly do not want to do, and/or are uncomfortable with, especially around a place like this.

    Also, I'm a (semi) old dude :D, and I've learned when to fold'm over the years, so I'm giving up and saying "uncle" (for now anyway ;)).

    --David
     
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