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Featured The gospel is "believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved"...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Blade

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    Hey Neogaia777... you know.. been found or saved since i was.. 11 or so? And.. every time I think believe I got it... He lets you know there is SO much more to this "Salvation". I wonder sometimes what the thief saw believed. He must have heard something over time.. to say "remember me when you come into your kingdom".

    Would seem he just believed that Jesus was who he said He was. Would seem the sweet sweet Holy Spirit revealed this to him seeing Christ on the Cross. John 3 26-17 Rom 10 9-10. What needs to be added to what GOD has written?

    I agree..sometimes.. nothing has to be said :) How many times.. has Jesus shown up in your life so to speak (always with us) where.. nothing said.. but yet every was said.. how holy just merciful grace forgiving..or YOU ARE LORD.. in just that.. you said.. sorry..forgive me.. repented. Did the thief repent? Yes... remember me.. again.. so much more was said.. from his heart.. that is what Christ saw
     
  2. klutedavid

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    Who cares what this person or that person claims what the gospel comprises.

    1 Corinthians 1:23
    but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness.

    If your preaching the death and resurrection of the Christ then you are blessed. If your teaching anything else then, you have been side tracked by some historical distortion.

    Cut to the core and preach the core; keep it simple.
     
  3. Loversofjesus_2018

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    Simplicity is so much easier I have to say myself!
     
  4. klutedavid

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    You cannot make a mistake that you may regret, if you keep it clean and simple.

    Preach Christ only, and love them all.
     
  5. bcbsr

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    Jesus is the promised Messiah, but there's more to the person of Christ than just that to be saved. One must believe Jesus is Lord; one must believe in his incarnation (1John 4:3); one must believe Jesus rose from the dead; one must believe that he atoned for sin;
     
  6. Michael Collum

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    Jesus plus nothing.
     
  7. dms1972

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    Without wanting to complicate it I have read a good bit on the matter and what I would agree with is that there is what is called evangelical repentance: We read in the Gospels about Jesus, His life and death and resurrection, and by the Holy Spirit we are shown who God is, realising He is Good, and full of mercy to those who come to him through Christ and in humility.

    All I can say is for myself i have had to keep repenting through my life, sometimes because of a besetting sin, at other times because of pride creeping into my life. So I have prayed for God to show me pride in my life - I found a little book called Intimacy with God by Floyd McClung very helpful in delineating the various ways pride can be present in a persons life unseen, and providing suggestions of how to pray about that. Its not a book that I think I am finished with.

    As we get older new areas in our lives open up, and we can face temptations we didn't before, for instance if we gain seniority in the workplace, or get married, or start a family,..
     
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  8. klutedavid

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    Your quotation is from a letter John wrote to believers, this thread concerns what we preach to unbelievers.

    The deity of the Christ takes considerable time to establish from the scripture. This topic is not something I would teach to an unbeliever, rather, that Jesus is the promised savior of the world. Eternal life is available to anyone who believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

    Jesus is the light, the only way, the absolute truth.

    Keep it simple for unbelievers.

    Most folk would never fully understand the incarnation or the deity of the Christ, especially not these days.
     
  9. klutedavid

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    Drifting from the OP.
     
  10. Loversofjesus_2018

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    But what about the questions of certainty? When they ask are you certain about your claims, when we tell them no one is certain can we blame them for saying “no thanks”.... or a bigger question is would Jesus blame them?
     
  11. dms1972

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    Someone was asking about the need for ongoing repentance.

    I had answered the OP in an earlier post.
     
  12. d taylor

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    If a person ask how to have eternal life and i tell to have eternal life. The Bible say to believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah and trust in Him for the gift of eterna life.

    If they, then do not trust in Jesus, i see that as not wanting eternal life. Now if at some other time they do trust in Jesus. That is a possibility.

    I am not concerned about other religions.
     
  13. d taylor

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    I do not go into a lot of what ifs, I just try and present clear evidence if or when asked about eternal life/salvation.
     
  14. Cis.jd

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    I do believe both are required but at the same time I don't think God is that low that he is going to be some cruel towards others for their ignorance. I do think right and wrong factor more.

    The whole argument of "you only need to believe" makes morality sound meaningless. What is the point of having a moral code in our design if the only thing that gets us in heaven is by just worshiping this God. Not only does this make morality completely non-existent but it makes God look so insecure.

    Revelation states that the dead before the throne where Judged by their works. These dead where not specified to be just believers or non-believers so just by assumption the details are ambiguous. If they where "just believers" then that already refutes the "faith alone" because their names on the book of life depended on what they did not what they believed.

    There is just too many logical fallacies with faith alone, and even the Bible through James and Revelation have spoken on how unreasonable it is to just base yourself as christian because you believe.
     
  15. Loversofjesus_2018

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    I understand what your saying but someone might not believe the Bible. So if your 100% certain that means your able to objectively give them something that would make it clear for them. From my understanding and observation it’s seems that nobody is 100% certain of any belief or else it wouldn’t be a belief anymore.
     
  16. d taylor

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    Do you not believe these verses.

    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

    And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
     
  17. d taylor

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    If someone does not believe the Bible then i go no further. Move on
     
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  18. Loversofjesus_2018

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    Believing and certainty aren’t the same. If I believe something that doesn’t mean someone else will
     
  19. Loversofjesus_2018

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    Oh ok I see.
     
  20. d taylor

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    You originally stated below
    But what if they do want eternal life but they want certainty. So they are truly hesitant but skeptical to believe anything that isn’t 100% certain. You would handle it the same way? So basically we would say I know were not 100% sure ourself but we want you believe as we believe?

    Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.

    I can not make another person 100% certain.

    What i was saying is that i am 100% certain that eternal life is through faith in The Messiah. And since I have trusted in the Messiah for eternal life. I am 100% certain i have eternal life never to be lost.
     
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