The Gospel in Hebrews

[HIM]

Our Sin is taken away through His blood. We are Vessels made fit for holy use, purged. No more conscience of sins. Sanctified, made fit to serve the living God Once and for all. Perfected, were in the Holy Ghost witnessed, as was said before. For God has said He will put His Laws in our hearts and in our minds.
Therefore having boldness to enter into holiest of all. The way having been made through the veil that is to say His flesh. Have full assurance, with our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience. Hold fast to this profession, provoke one another unto good works as we see the day approaching. For if we are sinning willfully after we received the knowledge of this truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

Lev 16:11 And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[Fervent]

So why, exactly, did you fail to quote 9:15-28 and 10:5-9? And why stop partway through a thought at 26 instead of carrying it through the complete statement through to 31?

 

[HIM]

So why, exactly, did you fail to quote 9:15-28 and 10:5-9? And why stop partway through a thought at 26 instead of carrying it through the complete statement through to 31?

No reason other than time. Would you like to discuss them?

 

[Fervent]

No reason other than time. Would you like to discuss them?

Not necessarily, their omission simply seemed odd especially as they are so integral to Hebrews presentation of the gospel(the old has passed away, the new has come) and a full understanding of 10:26-31(especially 10:5-9). How was it more time consuming to include text present within the passage than to create those ellipses?

 

[HIM]

Not necessarily, their omission simply seemed odd especially as they are so integral to Hebrews presentation of the gospel(the old has passed away, the new has come) and a full understanding of 10:26-31(especially 10:5-9). How was it more time consuming to include text present within the passage than to create those ellipses?

What is it you think needs added?

 

[Fervent]

What is it you think needs added?

The omission just seemed strange given that your topic is the gospel in Hebrews and both points omitted point to the end of the law/Sinai covenant. Your particular persuasion caused me to question if the omission was intentional, I will admit.

 

[HIM]

The omission just seemed strange given that your topic is the gospel in Hebrews and both points omitted point to the end of the law/Sinai covenant. Your particular persuasion caused me to question if the omission was intentional, I will admit.

Prove it.

 

[Fervent]

Prove it.

Prove what, exactly?

 

[HIM]

Prove what, exactly?

You said, "both points omitted point to the end of the law/Sinai covenant." Prove that the verses that were not used prove what you are saying.

The omission just seemed strange given that your topic is the gospel in Hebrews and both points omitted point to the end of the law/Sinai covenant. Your particular persuasion caused me to question if the omission was intentional, I will admit.

 

[Fervent]

You said, "both points omitted point to the end of the law/Sinai covenant." Prove that the verses that were not used prove what you are saying.

Point to=/=prove. Hebrews 9:19-21 highlights the elements of sealing of the first covenant, with the recition of the law that the people were agreeing to uphold and the sacrifices given to seal that covenant, drawing the link between what is passing away with the law given on Sinai. 10:9 makes it explicit: "He does away with the first in order to establish the second."

 

[HIM]

Prove what, exactly?

Point to=/=prove. Hebrews 9:19-21 highlights the elements of sealing of the first covenant, with the recition of the law that the people were agreeing to uphold and the sacrifices given to seal that covenant, drawing the link between what is passing away with the law given on Sinai. 10:9 makes it explicit: "He does away with the first in order to establish the second."

Does away with what?

 

[Fervent]

Does away with what?

"Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant."
"For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come"
Gee, I don't know.

 

[The Liturgist]

@HIM what does this have to do with Traditional Theology? Did you read the SOP before posting this here? @MarkRohfrietsch, the other members and I like to keep this forum friendly to newcomers, so don’t take this the wrong way, but you might get better replies if you ask this thread to be moved to General Theology.

 

[HIM]

"Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant."
"For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come"
Gee, I don't know.

What law

 

[Fervent]

What law

There's more than one?

 

[HIM]

There's more than one?

So you don’t know

 

[Fervent]

So you don’t know

"The law" is exclusive. There is only one "the law."

 

[HIM]

"The law" is exclusive. There is only one "the law."

The Law here in this verse is referring to sacrifices
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The ordinances here are referring to those that pertain to the sanctuary services.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

So what Law, those mentioned above?

Because according to context those are the ones being referred to. The Ten and the others that pertained to morality are not mentioned are referred to whatsoever.

Do you know why?

Because they are the ones that are in the Heart and mind through Christ.

 

[Fervent]

The Law here in this verse is referring to sacrifices
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The ordinances here are referring to those that pertain to the sanctuary services.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

So what Law, those mentioned above?

Because according to context those are the ones being referred to. The Ten and the others that pertained to morality are not mentioned are referred to whatsoever.

Do you know why?

Because they are the ones that are in the Heart and mind through Christ.

Your separation isn't warranted. Sacrifices are certainly included in the law, but no where does it separate the aspect of sacrifice from the whole law. "The law" is the entire Torah, narrative, statutes, sacrifices, promises, blessings, curses, etc. The whole covenant is Torah.

 

[HIM]

Your separation isn't warranted. Sacrifices are certainly included in the law, but no where does it separate the aspect of sacrifice from the whole law. "The law" is the entire Torah, narrative, statutes, sacrifices, promises, blessings, curses, etc. The whole covenant is Torah.

The Law is in the Heart and Mind. Prove what you say within the chapters you say do. Warning the context does not support it. So?