The Gift of the Holy Spirit

[Dave L]

In Acts 2:38; 39, Peter speaks of the gift of the Holy Spirit being for his present audience, their children those who are far-off, and as many as the Lord shall call. In Greek the gift of the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit is the gift. And we see at least two ways God provided the Holy Spirit in Acts.

In the Jewish outpouring God provided the Holy Spirit to the Apostles as they spoke in tongues. And he provided the Holy Spirit to those who heard the message in their own native tongue. Jesus says his words are Spirit and they are life. So the Apostles received the gift of the Holy Spirit through the words they spoke, as did the Jews who heard and understood in their native tongues.

Many think the gift of the Holy Spirit consists of the tongues and prophecy gifts. But tongues and prophecy were the packages the Gift of the Holy Spirit came in. As people hear the word, the Holy Spirit enters their hearts and fills them more and more as they hear the word. Peter says we experience the new birth through the word of God (1 Peter 1:23).

And faith or faithfulness is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22). And Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). And faith comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17). And above all, Jesus is the word of God (John 1:1; 1:14). And so it is, the Holy Spirit brings all that Jesus taught the disciples to our remembrance too, through the written word today (John 14:26).

The gift of the Holy Spirit remains for all believers of all-time, but the package through which God provided it changed. In Acts, God gave the gifts of the Spirit to as a means to provide the Gift of the Holy Spirit. He poured out the Spirit first on the Apostles who spoke in tongues. Thus giving the Gift of the Spirit to them and to the devout Jews who understood them. And seven years later he poured out the Spirit on the gentiles. These would then give the Gift of the Holy Spirit to others through the spoken word from God.

Beyond these two outpourings, God also poured out the Spirit through the Apostle’s hands. Perhaps thousands received the gifts of the Spirit, speaking in tongues and prophesying as the Apostles baptized them. And these would speak the Gift of the Holy Spirit into the hearts of others as they interpreted and spoke God’s word.

But by the end of the first century we see the means of gifting the Holy Spirit changed. The fragments of prophecy and tongues became collected and copied as scripture as they circulated throughout Christendom. And the fragment became the collected and completed word of God now called the scriptures.

Today we have the same Gift the Apostles had, but not the same gifts. We have tongues and prophecy once spoken in fragments, now preserved in the Holy Bible. The early New Covenant church became full of the Holy Spirit through the same prophetic utterances and Tongues we now have preserved in the scriptures.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

...but the package through which God provided it changed.

Not in the Bible, it didn't. This is the Christian Scriptures section, not the Church History, Church Tradition, or Personal Opinion section.

 

[Dave L]

Not in the Bible, it didn't. This is the Christian Scriptures section, not the Church History, Church Tradition, or Personal Opinion section.

The scriptures replaced the prophetic gifts. How can scripture be in the wrong section if in the scripture section?

 

[HTacianas]

In Acts 2:38; 39, Peter speaks of the gift of the Holy Spirit being for his present audience, their children those who are far-off, and as many as the Lord shall call. In Greek the gift of the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit is the gift. And we see at least two ways God provided the Holy Spirit in Acts.

In the Jewish outpouring God provided the Holy Spirit to the Apostles as they spoke in tongues. And he provided the Holy Spirit to those who heard the message in their own native tongue. Jesus says his words are Spirit and they are life. So the Apostles received the gift of the Holy Spirit through the words they spoke, as did the Jews who heard and understood in their native tongues.

Many think the gift of the Holy Spirit consists of the tongues and prophecy gifts. But tongues and prophecy were the packages the Gift of the Holy Spirit came in. As people hear the word, the Holy Spirit enters their hearts and fills them more and more as they hear the word. Peter says we experience the new birth through the word of God (1 Peter 1:23).

And faith or faithfulness is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22). And Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). And faith comes by hearing the word (Romans 10:17). And above all, Jesus is the word of God (John 1:1; 1:14). And so it is, the Holy Spirit brings all that Jesus taught the disciples to our remembrance too, through the written word today (John 14:26).

The gift of the Holy Spirit remains for all believers of all-time, but the package through which God provided it changed. In Acts, God gave the gifts of the Spirit to as a means to provide the Gift of the Holy Spirit. He poured out the Spirit first on the Apostles who spoke in tongues. Thus giving the Gift of the Spirit to them and to the devout Jews who understood them. And seven years later he poured out the Spirit on the gentiles. These would then give the Gift of the Holy Spirit to others through the spoken word from God.

Beyond these two outpourings, God also poured out the Spirit through the Apostle’s hands. Perhaps thousands received the gifts of the Spirit, speaking in tongues and prophesying as the Apostles baptized them. And these would speak the Gift of the Holy Spirit into the hearts of others as they interpreted and spoke God’s word.

But by the end of the first century we see the means of gifting the Holy Spirit changed. The fragments of prophecy and tongues became collected and copied as scripture as they circulated throughout Christendom. And the fragment became the collected and completed word of God now called the scriptures.

Today we have the same Gift the Apostles had, but not the same gifts. We have tongues and prophecy once spoken in fragments, now preserved in the Holy Bible. The early New Covenant church became full of the Holy Spirit through the same prophetic utterances and Tongues we now have preserved in the scriptures.

The early Church received the gift of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands of the apostles.

 

[Dave L]

The early Church received the gift of the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands of the apostles.

Technically, they received the Gift of the Holy Spirit through hearing the word, just as we do today. But they received the gifts of tongues and prophecy through the apostles hands so they could speak the word and communicate the Spirit to others. Eventually scripture replaced all of this.

 

[HTacianas]

Technically, they received the Gift of the Holy Spirit through hearing the word, just as we do today. But they received the gifts of tongues and prophecy through the apostles hands so they could speak the word and communicate the Spirit to others. Eventually scripture replaced all of this.

There is no reason to believe that scripture replaced it.

 

[Dave L]

There is no reason to believe that scripture replaced it.

There is plenty of reason to believe scripture replaced tongues and prophecy. But the Holy Spirit remains a permanent gift for all who believe.

 

[NBB]

The way we received the filling of the Holy spirit is the same as in the bible, it just can happen or, we need to pray for it, or someone pray for us, it can vary.
And it stays unless we don't pay enough attention or sin.

 

[Dave L]

The way we received the filling of the Holy spirit is the same as in the bible, it just can happen or, we need to pray for it, or someone pray for us, it can vary.
And it stays unless we don't pay enough attention or sin.

It's important to understand the difference between the spiritual gifts and the gift of the Holy Spirit. All believers have the Gift of the Holy Spirit that came through the gospel. But not all had the gifts of the Spirit that came through the two outpourings or through an apostle's hands.

The purpose of tongues and prophecy was to create the New Testament. Just as the prophets created the Old Testament. But when completed, God removed the prophets and prophetic gifts (tongues).

You receive the same power the early new covenant believers had listening to their same messages when you read the bible. Chasing after voices in people's heads and imaginations leads in the wrong direction today.

 

[HTacianas]

There is plenty of reason to believe scripture replaced tongues and prophecy. But the Holy Spirit remains a permanent gift for all who believe.

There is no scriptural reason whatever to believe that.

 

[NBB]

It's important to understand the difference between the spiritual gifts and the gift of the Holy Spirit. All believers have the Gift of the Holy Spirit that came through the gospel. But not all had the gifts of the Spirit that came through the two outpourings or through an apostle's hands.

The purpose of tongues and prophecy was to create the New Testament. Just as the prophets created the Old Testament. But when completed, God removed the prophets and prophetic gifts (tongues).

You receive the same power the early new covenant believers had listening to their same messages when you read the bible. Chasing after voices in people's heads and imaginations leads in the wrong direction today.

Being filled with the Holy spirit you mean christians have access to that if they seek it or all christians have it, because not all christians have this, we need to seek it if it doesn't happen like in the bible.

But i actually disagree that there is no prophecy or tongues. But lets not discuss this.

 

[Dave L]

There is no scriptural reason whatever to believe that.

No reason that you know of.

 

[HTacianas]

No reason that you know of.

Quote it from the new testament.

 

[Dave L]

Being filled with the Holy spirit you mean christians have access to that if they seek it or all christians have it, because not all christians have this, we need to seek it if it doesn't happen like in the bible.

But i actually disagree that there is no prophecy or tongues. But lets not discuss this.

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

Quote it from the new testament.

Do you think scripture is perfect?
“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” (1 Corinthians 13:8–9) (KJV 1900)

“But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (1 Corinthians 13:10) (KJV 1900)

 

[HTacianas]

Do you think scripture is perfect?
“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” (1 Corinthians 13:8–9) (KJV 1900)

“But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (1 Corinthians 13:10) (KJV 1900)

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[Dave L]

That doesn't answer the question.

It does.

 

[NBB]

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9) (KJV 1900)

Yes i think you can be alive with the Spirit of God and christ, and have not received the filling of the Holy spirit, some believers in the bible were already believers, like Paul too, some didn't even heard of the Holy spirit, after someone prayed for them, or they asked for it, they received the filling of the Holy Spirit, that means they were not already believers? no yes they were, they were supposedly born again, but have not received the filling of the Holy spirit, or you can say the disciples were spiritual dead until pentecost?? no they were alive with the spirit of God and Christ, but they had not received yet the filling of the Holy spirit.

 

[Dave L]

Yes i think you can be alive with the Spirit of God and christ, and have not received the Holy spirit, some believers in the bible were already believers, like Paul too, some didn't even heard of the Holy spirit, after someone prayed for them, or they asked for it, they received the filling of the Holy Spirit, that means they were not already believers? no yes they were, they were supposedly born again, but have not received the filling of the Holy spirit, or you can say the disciples were spiritual dead until pentecost?? no they were alive with the spirit of God and Christ, but they had not received yet the filling of the Holy spirit.

Before Pentecost people were born again believers. At Pentecost the personal indwelling of the Spirit extended to all believers. Those under the Old Covenant, did nor receive the indwelling of the Spirit until they embraced the New Covenant, John's disciples etc.

 

[NBB]

Before Pentecost people were born again believers. At Pentecost the personal indwelling of the Spirit extended to all believers. Those under the Old Covenant, did nor receive the indwelling of the Spirit until they embraced the New Covenant, John's disciples etc.

You mean when you believe in christ you are filled with the Holy spirit, or that after pentecost being filled with the Holy spirit became available to christians.