The fuss over lootings

[Oompa Loompa]

Everything you just said is patently false. I suggest you brush up on your knowledge about the prison industrial complex.

In 1871, the Virginia Supreme Court ruled that a convicted person was a "slave of the State". Over the years, the courts have held that inmates may be required to work and are not protected by the constitutional prohibition against involuntary servitude. They have also consistently held that inmates have no constitutional right to compensation and that inmates are paid by the "grace of the state." Under the Federal Bureau of Prisons, all able-bodied sentenced prisoners were required to work, except those who participated full-time in education or other treatment programs or who were considered security risks. Correctional standards promulgated by the American Correctional Association provide that sentenced inmates, who are generally housed in maximum, medium, or minimum security prisons, be required to work and be paid for that work. Some states require, as with Arizona, all able-bodied inmates to work.
Penal labor in the United States

With few exceptions, inmates are required to work if cleared by medical professionals at the prison. Punishments for refusing to do so include solitary confinement, loss of earned good time, and revocation of family visitation.
American Slavery, Reinvented

Now ask what the penalty is for a prisoner who refuses to work?

Spoiler

They stay in their cell.

I have worked peison ministry for some time now. Trust me. It isnt slavery. Its a blessing.

 

[agapelove]

Now ask what the penalty is for a prisoner who refuses to work?
They stay in their cell.

Spoiler: If you had read my previous post you would know that that is not true.

I have worked peison ministry for some time now. Trust me. It isnt slavery. Its a blessing.

Good for you. I expect you to be more educated and compassionate about this then.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Spoiler: If you had read my previous post you would know that that is not true.


Good for you. I expect you to be more educated and compassionate about this then.

It is true. In fact, just the other day I was talking to a trustee (convict who is trusted to do "slave work") who was serving a life sentence. He told me about how he threw his life away because of the discisions he made and that for the longest time he didn't have a purpose. As he was washing a police cruiser he cried, "I know it ain't mutch. But when I am washing this car, I have a purpose. And my purpose is to make this car as clean as possible. For that, I am blessed."

 

[agapelove]

It is true. In fact, just the other day I was talking to a trustee (convict who is trusted to do "slave work") who was serving a life sentence. He told me about how he threw his life away because of the discisions he made and that for the longest time he didn't have a purpose. As he was washing a police cruiser he cried, "I know it ain't mutch. But when I am washing this car, I have a purpose. And my purpose is to make this car as clean as possible. For that, I am blessed."

Ok? How does that story prove inmates are not punished? Solitary confinement, loss of earned good time, and revocation of family visitation all sound like punishment to me....

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Ok? How does that story prove inmates are not punished? Solitary confinement, loss of earned good time, and revocation of family visitation all sound like punishment to me....

Well, it doesn't happen as often as you would think. Regardless, they are not "enslaved" because of their race. They are working to pay off a debt to society.

 

[NerdGirl]

Material wealth is virtually worthless according to the Bible.

So why should Christians make a big deal out of it??

Don't believe me??

Verses for you:
It is NOT of the Father - 1 John 2:15-17
The wealth of this world is unrighteous - Luke 16:9
Things that concern the flesh is worth nothing - John 6:63

Why fuss over something only as valuable as garbage unless you love garbage (or money)?

NOTE to everyone: I'm not promoting nor condoning deliberate destruction or theft of property. But to remind everyone maybe we're making too much of a deal over nothing - as a Christian should.

Pretty sure these mom-and-pop businesses enjoy feeding their children and having a place to live. They aren't rolling in wealth. The point is not whether Christians love "material wealth", the point is that crimes and sins are being committed wantonly and it's wrong on every level. "Too much of a deal?" Okay, next time someone comes over to burn down your home and steal everything you own, I would love to hear how it's not a big deal. Thanks.

 

[NerdGirl]

Laws that were made by people who built a nation on the back of slaves and stolen lands.

Know your history. Time does not erase the cries of the innocents who died at the hands of greed.

Who really is the bigger thief? The Lord also accounts for the sins of our ancestors unless a restitution is paid (repentance).

Do you really think that every business and property owner who's been victimized by these thugs has direct ancestors involved in American slavery? You realize many of them are from places like the Middle East, Asia, South America?

Who's the bigger thief? The black men smashing property, stealing property, burning property, or the Korean man running a noodle shop because he wants a decent life for his family?

Come ON.

 

[GenemZ]

The entire situation in America with the rioting and looting is degenerate and disgusting, but when you see what colleges and even public schools are now teaching, it doesn't surprise me that the country has fallen to this point.

If you saw what the churches had been teaching for too long, you will know why colleges and public schools are having a free for all. The churches failed to teach sound doctrine on a steady basis. Tradition and rituals and devotional messages do not defeat evil.

 

[Richard T]

Deuteronomy 8:18 (KJV)
18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
Psalm 112:1-3 (KJV)
1 Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. 2 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. 3 Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever.
Proverbs 13:22 (KJV)
22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.

I sure am glad that God ordains wealth and favor to those He can trust. It is not worthless, it is often used for the kingdom, for blessing, for an inheritance.

 

[timewerx]

Do you really think that every business and property owner who's been victimized by these thugs has direct ancestors involved in American slavery? You realize many of them are from places like the Middle East, Asia, South America?

Who's the bigger thief? The black men smashing property, stealing property, burning property, or the Korean man running a noodle shop because he wants a decent life for his family?

Come ON.

The wealth of the whole world accummulated through thousands of years of violently stealing lands from the weak and exploiting the weak and poor (through unfair wages and slavery).

Why do you think Jesus called the merchants at the temple "robbers", is it because they are selling at the wrong place?

Let's look at ourselves very carefully before accusing others of robbery. Who really are the bigger thieves here?

Before we throw stones at the adulterer, perhaps, we should take a look at ourselves who really is the worse adulterer.

 

[Jermayn]

They use it as a basis to further devaluate a group, to encourage / promote the use of stronger and possibly deadlier means of intervention.

From a big picture perspective, the world's wealth is accumulated through thousands of years of violent taking of lands and exploiting the weak and poor for profit.

Time did not erase the blood of the innocents from wealth / money.

Many Christians don't know this and would rather reject this knowledge if they heard it.

They are fighting the wrong people and sharing the same bed with the enemy.

The Israelite's had to conquer the previous residents of what became Israel before they could live there. Are you saying they should give it back?

 

[ralliann]

The entire situation in America with the rioting and looting is degenerate and disgusting, but when you see what colleges and even public schools are now teaching, it doesn't surprise me that the country has fallen to this point.

Tell God that he's not wanted and He'll leave. Simple as.

Yep it is a political agenda and people are being used

 

[Arc F1]

Besides all that, what nations escaped wars to expand or to defend themselves? And how many took spoils of war including people. All nations from the beginning engaged in this.

History is full of mistakes and violence. As Christians it's our job to do everything possible to avoid repeating history.

 

[Der Alte]

Material wealth is virtually worthless according to the Bible.
So why should Christians make a big deal out of it??
Don't believe me??
Verses for you:
It is NOT of the Father - 1 John 2:15-17
The wealth of this world is unrighteous - Luke 16:9
Things that concern the flesh is worth nothing - John 6:63
Why fuss over something only as valuable as garbage unless you love garbage (or money)?
NOTE to everyone: I'm not promoting nor condoning deliberate destruction or theft of property. But to remind everyone maybe we're making too much of a deal over nothing - as a Christian should.

So you won't mind if I come over to your house, kick in the front door, destroy everything in sight, steal your laptop and set the house on fire when I leave?

 

[All4Christ]

Saying what the OP says essentially implies that it’s not wrong to participate in looting, even with the caveat. We don’t get to pick and choose what we do because of what happened before us. The sins of our ancestors don’t impact what is right or wrong. If anything, we need to be better than those before us, and take care of what is entrusted to us and others. It is a disservice to those who are looting or being violent to excuse their behavior - as that behavior will stand in the future as well. Their children too may be impacted by the beliefs of the parents that it is “ok” to do so. Also, many of those looting aren’t even the ones who are truly wanting to make a difference. They often are taking advantage of the situation from coming out of town, etc. Most leaders of the protests don’t want to support the looters as it just has no beneficial result across the board.

 

[bèlla]

For my mouth will utter truth; wickedness is an abomination to my lips. —Proverbs 8:6

Stop using God to justify your bias. Stop using Him as an excuse for your agenda.

Just admit the truth. ‘I’ feel this way. ‘I’ believe this and that. ‘My’ perspective is a work of flesh. God has no part in it.

~Bella

 

[Dave G.]

The wealth of the whole world accummulated through thousands of years of violently stealing lands from the weak and exploiting the weak and poor (through unfair wages and slavery).

Why do you think Jesus called the merchants at the temple "robbers", is it because they are selling at the wrong place?

Let's look at ourselves very carefully before accusing others of robbery. Who really are the bigger thieves here?

Before we throw stones at the adulterer, perhaps, we should take a look at ourselves who really is the worse adulterer.

Oh it's much simpler than that, looters need to stay out of other peoples property. Period. Doesn't matter if they are black, white or green. They have no business invading other peoples places. It's really really simple. Lay the guilt trip on yourself if you want to, that parts up to you. Looting is simply wrong regardless who your ancestors are.

 

[ralliann]

History is full of mistakes and violence. As Christians it's our job to do everything possible to avoid repeating history.

I already said that in another post. All have engaged in this history. It is nothing unique to the history of the united states. That is simply a falsehood. Looting and violating peoples constitutional rights is not the answer. Iow they are repeating it.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Material wealth is virtually worthless according to the Bible.

So why should Christians make a big deal out of it??

Don't believe me??

Verses for you:
It is NOT of the Father - 1 John 2:15-17
The wealth of this world is unrighteous - Luke 16:9
Things that concern the flesh is worth nothing - John 6:63

Why fuss over something only as valuable as garbage unless you love garbage (or money)?

NOTE to everyone: I'm not promoting nor condoning deliberate destruction or theft of property. But to remind everyone maybe we're making too much of a deal over nothing - as a Christian should.

Looting is not the problem, it is the destruction of the distribution of goods to the community upon which the community rely week in week out. Just think of the number of supermarkets that supply food on a daily basis, with lorries, taking goods from all over the world to almost our door steps.

We have such a massive integrated world, with a massive population, so vast it is difficult to take in. So the loss of a few shops etc does not matter that much, but the whole system would be catastrophic. Now any community has to defend their distribution system, hard, against the few who can cause a disproportionate affect, on what appears to be a few shops. Another crime that is hit even harder is arson. Someone who knows how to burn things down, has the book thrown at them if caught, because so much can be destroyed so quickly, vastly greater than the cause. You could say this is not fair, but it is what works..... God bless you

 

[GenemZ]

History is full of mistakes and violence. As Christians it's our job to do everything possible to avoid repeating history.

If we study church history we might avoid repeating history within the church.
But, as far as the world goes? Satan will keep repeating the same mistakes in hopes of finally perfecting what he wants to achieve with man.

One history we can possibly improve. The church history must keep advancing in insight and depth concerning the Scriptures.

As for the world? At best.. we can only act as a restraint on Satan's leadership if we become "salt of the earth."

But, when the church fails to grow in understanding more and more of God's Word? We will see loss of restraint and destruction.

In ancient times salt was used as a preservative. It was also used to give good taste and flavor to food.

The preservative aspect of a church having influence over its culture must be maintained or we we will see things falling apart around us. For Jesus said...

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless,
how]can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything,
except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men." Mat 5:13​

Since the church age began nations of greatness have come and go. As goes the church in those nations determined how well they would continue, or become destroyed and trampled under foot by men (secularism- socialism - communism, etc).

Just because we have many believers in a country does not guarantee God will bless the nation. For if they lose their saltiness (follow false doctrines and religion, etc) God will throw out what has lost its savor and that nation will be trampled underfoot.

Its been done several times in the last thousand years of history. Nations rose as a word of God revival was manifested, then later in the prosperity a healthy church will bring, the church became stagnated and that nation fades away.

To become salt? Desire and learn sound doctrine as often as you can and allow the Holy Spirit in you to make you able to live it. Reject what is false.. Keep the salt free of impurities.

To find sound doctrine? Pray for it. God's knows our hearts. There is always much more to know and understand.

That's been our history.