The full vials are not during the 42 months.

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[Dave L]

The great tribulation/such as never was will be shortened. Immediately after it
the sun will go dark. The world will be then in the time of the 6th seal. Jesus Christ
placed events of the stars fall and He returns as occurring when this time of the abomination ends.
The church will be changed/gathered together. It will be the day of the Lord/day of Christ.
The vials will start later. They are not part of the time such as never was.

Jesus Christ told that the abomination/great tribulation ends with the sun shall be darkened...stars...fall...the sign of the Son of man in heaven...coming...

The vials will not begin till after the 7th seal is opened. They will be against all the wicked people that slew the saints and followed Babylon with the little horn. The little horn is no longer here, but dead first. The beast out of the sea will yet need to fall with his one mouth. Out of it will come an evil frog type of being that will help to deceive the world - and they will gather for war.

Daniel 11 shows the whirlwind king/little horn that speaks great things falls at the end of the chapter. He only was allowed to continue for 42 months. It will be the end of the 1290 days referred to in Daniel 12. Daniel stops resting, and stands.

There will yet be a time of getting to 1335 days. People will need to remain alive if they hoped to get blessed at the end of those days.

wait - come to the day
/not go die - leave -
Anyone that dies after the time of Jesus Christ returns at the end of the great tribulation will be lost- and eventually be in hell, then the lake of fire for eternity.

as Paul told - the church...we are not like those - that have no hope

Jesus says when he returns it will be as in the days of Noah. Marrying and giving in marriage. Business as usual. People proclaiming peace and safety. How does this fit with what you are saying?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The full vials are not during the 42 months.

Now we just have to determine what Great City/Harlot the vials are being poured out upon. Then we can better understand Daniel and the rest of the OT prophecies concerning 1st century Jerusalem.

Bride and Bridegroom
John 3:29
“He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom;
but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears Him, rejoices greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice.
Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.

Jeremiah 7:34
“Then I will cause to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride. For the land shall be desolate.

Revelation 17:1
Then one of the seven Messengers who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me,
“Come! I will show you the judgment of the great Harlot who sits on many waters

Revelation 18:23
“The light of a lamp shall not shine in Thee anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in Thee anymore. For Thy merchants were the great men of the land, for by Thy sorcery all the Nations were deceived.

Revelation 21:9
Then one of the seven Messengers who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last blows/stripes<4127> came to me and talked with me, saying,
“Come! I will show you the Bride, the Lamb's wife.”

Revelation 21:2
Then I, John, saw the holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband.

Hebrews 12:
22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a City of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of Messengers, 23 to the company and assembly of the First-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to Spirits of righteous men made perfect,
24 and to a Mediator of a New Covenant — Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.


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[Dave L]

Are you talking about Matthew 24? The prophecy changes to referring to the time when heaven and earth will pass away. that day...
All of the verses after that switch are about the end of the world. The living will be divided up as sheep and goats. The sheep will inherit the kingdom of God-eternal life. The goats will be cut asunder and cast into the lake of fire. as they are the tares that will be carried off by angels


The peace and safety in 1 Thess. 5 is what will be said by the wicked after they have slain the two witnesses. But the day of the LORD -6th seal ...will come upon them as a thief.
The party celebration as to sending gifts to each other will be over.

You are confusing the great tribulation of 70 AD with great tribulation throughout the New Covenant era, and the relatively peaceful days of Noah leading up to Christ's return.

 

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[Dave L]

Do you think that we should consider how there is much praise going on after the redeemed are spoken of in Rev. 5? Do you think that links back to Romans and Psalms 69 where it shows that it is because Zion will build again...and there later seems to show that she will rebuild again?

70 AD - their house will be desolated because they slew the Messiah
He had told them -no signs from heaven for them -that generation-
only the sign of the prophet Jonas
He redeems some people in Rev. 5.
then all praise Him, because He has redeemed those out of hell of the just, and will rebuild up Zion
their seed will also inherit

70 AD did not end with the wicked being punished The Roman Empire did not fall for a very long time. Daniel 2 shows -that kingdom had to divide first. The time of the end did not come in 70 AD. The little horn cannot even be here with his mouth speaking great things until after the 4th kingdom split...then later splits into ten parts.

A war is yet coming - like no other time - and there be will signs in the sun, moon, and stars - and upon earth - distress of nations...and later comes the sign of Son of man - Jesus Christ sitting on the right hand of power.

In the NT, the church is Israel and all of God's promises to the Jews are YES in Christ only.

 

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[Dave L]

The house is left was not Israel - the church. It was about the people in the land. It is still in the future. Zion is a place on the earth. He will build up Zion. Rev. 5 shows that the holy land was going to rebuild.
The seals show a nation that will come after her in the end days...the Chaldeans for the time of such as was not.

10 kings will be with him - the mouth that speaks great things
It is at the time of the end of the Roman Empire - not the beginning of it.
27 BC or so ---to 70 AD....the mouth that speaks great things is not yet around
first, the empire is at its close in time....and has been split -the kingdom shall be divided - but in it shall be the strength -iron
The empire was later divided into East and West, but even then didn't fall for a long time. The evil mouth king could not yet exist even then.

But, the promises, including the land, are Yes only in Christ.

 

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[iamlamad]

He is a little horn, because he is from a small nation. Iraq

Daniel saw ten horns - and another little horn - but he speaks great things. He will not be powerful on his own. Arms shall stand with him, he will later gain many ships and take countries. He will be a king using flattery to get what he wants and deceiving people.

The king in Daniel 11 is the speaker against God, just like in Rev. 13 and Daniel 7 - speaks great things.
He is the mouth that is added to the beast out of the sea. He is not the beast that came out of the sea and the world wondered after. He will go down before the times of the vials are poured out. The beast out of the sea will survive clear to the battle at the end of chapter 19-and end up in the lake of fire before the 1000 years starts.

If He is NOT the same person as the Beast out of the Sea - the man most of the church world calls the Antichrist - then please explain why John never mentions him. John mentions two beasts, one a greater and one a lesser. The Beast from the Sea is whom most people believe is the Antichrist.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

WHICH Beast are these verses referring to: the Beast from the sea or the second beast from the earth?

This verse tells us:

Revelation 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

So there is one MAIN Beast who is the Antichrist, and a secondary beast (from the earth) that from his first mention as a beast is later called the False Prophet.

 

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[iamlamad]

beast out of the sea - has a mouth
later
given a mouth
that speaks great things - the little horn of Daniel 7 and 11
Rev. 13
this added mouth king - has 42 months
he will go down before the time of Armageddon
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit - and goeth
into perdition
son of perdition
that exalts himself/2 Thess. 2 and Daniel 11
had only time, times, and an half
The people of Israel have by then been scattered off to the four winds by the whirlwind king that speaks great things and has many ships, and has been taking countries.

The beast out of the sea will continue on later, with his mouth that he rose out of the sea with...and out of it will come a frog type that will go out with two other frog types to deceive the world and gather the nations to fight with God.
They know He exists, because the sky was rolled back in the time of the 6th seal. The throne was seen and the One sitting on it and the Lamb.
There will still be clouds though, and even rain during the 1000 years that will start sometime after Israel rebuilds after Armageddon is over.
She will be attacked again at the time of the great tumult in Zec. 14.
The survivors will need to come year to year to worship the King and keep the feast of tabernacles -or get no rain.

5th trumpet- the bottomless pit is opened

the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit -will slay the two witnesses

They will be among those given white robes that get slain - till all come in killed as they were -that are to be killed.

Rev. 13
this added mouth king - has 42 months
he will go down before the time of Armageddon
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit - and goeth
into perdition
son of perdition
that exalts himself/2 Thess. 2 and Daniel 11
had only time, times, and an half

Rev. 13 does indeed give the time of the Antichrist Beast s 42 months. Did you notice that this 42 months is the LAST In time and in writing) of the 3 1/2 period of time mentioned in Revelation. This means this countdown BEGINS last.

Then if you notice, the WEEK ends at the 7th vial, but Jesus does not return yet. The events of chaptaers 17 & 18 take place AFTER the week has ended, but BEFORE Christ comes. Then the first part of chapter 19 takes place, including the marriage and supper - IN HEAVEN before Christ descends.

Finally, after all that, and after the marriage and supper, Jesus descends with the armies of heaven, which will include the saints of god raptured previously, New Testament saints first, then the Old Teastament saints.

He will descend to the battle of ARmageddon.

Therefore, your statement is WRONG. The Beast does NOT "go down" before Armageddon, but AT Armageddon.

 

[iamlamad]

4th trumpet = day and night 1/3
/except those days be shortened
they will be shortened

5th trumpet - bottomless pit is opened

beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit - shall make war
-when the two witnesses have finished their testimony - and kill them
their dead bodies - lie in the street of Jerusalem

Shortening or turning down the amount of daylight and starlight is not the shortening of days. God will shorten the number of days of GT by pouring out the vials of His wrath.

 

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